Teacher Pay Raises

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Thoughts?

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I favor the Rispone method. Not everyone deserves the same raise and some don’t even deserve to get paid.

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Rispone wants to give raises based on merit.
JBE favors raises across the board.

I favor the Rispone method. Not everyone deserves the same raise and some don’t even deserve to get paid.

Thoughts?

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Give pay raises based on merit.

Give pink slips based on merit as well.

It will punish the teachers in the worst/poorest areas, not the worst teachers.

Its not the same teaching the kids of doctors vs the kids of junkies and prisoners.

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Its not the same teaching the kids of doctors vs the kids of junkies and prisoners.

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This is a good point.

Teachers aren’t miracle workers. If it is a classroom full of kids who don’t want to learn then the teacher can do nothing about it. Is it really fair to deny them raises because their students don’t perform?

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JBE favors raises across the board.

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He's a moron.

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Thoughts

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Well, I will say that "merit", while certainly important, is damned hard to measure in schools because not all teachers are dealing with the same level of student talent.

That said, across the board is moronic. No. You don't pay the Calculus teacher what you pay the Art teacher and until our public schools figure that the frick out, they'll NEVER solve the problem.

We do NOT have a shortage of good teachers. We have a shortage of good teachers in SOME specialties.

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How do you measure merit though

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I think it has to be left up to the school principal to evaluate which teachers are deserving based on merit.
There are certain metrics that can be measured- Class grades, teacher tenure, education levels (bachelor, masters, doctorate) and then there is input from parent and student.
Ask a good principal and they know who the top teachers are.

I'm all for teacher pay raises if (1) you continue to scale back the unsustainable retirement benefits and (2) either remove or make it very difficult to obtain tenure.

And I agree that it is tough to do merit based raises simply because the baseline might be a tough standard to set. One teacher could be a great teacher even if he/she is just able to get poor students and a bad school to earn C's. While on the other hand you might have a very average teacher at really school who has to do very little to get her students to earn B's

Did anybody read the piece in the Advocate yesterday about Lane Grigsby? The article was nothing but a hit job on Mr. Grigsby that tried to insinuate Eddie Rispone will be nothing more than Lane's puppet. When will the Advocate run a counter story about JBE and the trial bar? I won't hold my breath.

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Rispone wants to give raises based on merit.

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While I agree with this, how does one gauge a teacher's merit? Our current method of standardized testing is crap. Teachers don't teach these kids anymore, because they are only teaching them how to pass these tests.

We need to develop a way to encourage teachers to care about making their students better, and we need a way to properly determine which teachers are or aren't. Until that happens, this merit based system will not work.

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It will punish the teachers in the worst/poorest areas, not the worst teachers.

Its not the same teaching the kids of doctors vs the kids of junkies and prisoners.

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So you’re advocating doing nothing, paying more, and getting the same product.

The arrogance of low expectations parading as a paradigm of virtue.

Test in-test out, here’s your pay. Crappy schools get more money to extend school hours so “homework” is done. Kids must stay until their homework’s done. Keep them off the streets, away from shitty parents, and give them an education that allows them to make real choices when reaching adulthood.

If you’re a really committed teacher, these victims of low expectations, are a veritable gold mine! If you’re a lazy arse join a teacher’s union and picket for a raise you don’t deserve while another generation rots under your low expectations negligence.