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re: Taliban has taken Kabul. Terrorist attack at Airport at least 12 marines confirmed killed

Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:10 am to
Posted by Hurricane Mike
Member since Jun 2008
20059 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:10 am to
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really don’t see a scenario where dozens if not hundreds of Americans are killed in this.


I see where you’ve improved from your 10k prediction yesterday.

What will it be tomorrow?
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
71165 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:12 am to
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In his 40+ years in Washington DC, what has joe biden ever done to indicate he was an expert of foreign policy?


Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:15 am to
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I see where you’ve improved from your 10k prediction yesterday.

What will it be tomorrow?


The only 10k I pointed out is there are 10,000 Americans there. My worst case scenario is that say a hundred Americans are killed. That being said, over 2400 American lives are on the table right now, but I don’t think the Taliban leadership wants that many dead Americans just to not risk we reinvade Afghanistan.
Posted by tgrgrd00
Kenner, LA
Member since Jun 2004
11683 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:22 am to
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Through this entire thing and reading stories from that part of the world, it makes you appreciative for what you have here. I feel for those people.



You would think wouldn't you? Maybe give little perspective to some?

Nah, American's are oppressed haven't you heard? The regressives are too dense to see the disconnect of what they purport as oppression vs actual oppression being brought to light in Afghanistan.



Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75826 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:27 am to
I guess if you aren't at the airport yet, you better be hoping that the internet in Kabul holds up....


@USEmbassyKabal
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ALERT - we are assisting U.S. citizens with departure from #Afghanistan. Please do NOT come to the airport until you are notified by the Embassy. If you would like to register for assistance to depart follow link
LINK


This is also more verification that there are still Americans around Kabul that were not at the Embassy and have not been evaced to the airport.

ETA: This was tweeted an hour ago.
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 12:28 am
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75826 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:46 am to
This is from a Ugandan news sight, but the article was written by AFP. It has some interesting info about the current mood at the Pentagon and how the Biden Administration botched the withdrawal.

Monitor via AFP

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At the Pentagon, US military officials bitter as they watch chaos in Kabul


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Some criticized the State Department, which has sole authority to grant visas to former interpreters and other US military support staff and their families, for waiting more than two months to begin the process for Afghans in fear of their lives. 

"We warned them for months, for months" that the situation was urgent, said one military official, speaking on condition of anonymity. 

"I am not angry, I am frustrated," another officer remarked. "The process could have been handled so differently." 




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Biden decided in mid-April that all US troops must be out of Afghanistan by September 11, though he later moved that date up to August 21.

The State Department however waited months to set up an ad hoc structure to get US allies to safety.

Another Pentagon official interviewed by AFP said that diplomats had tried to speed up the visa process -- but the process was too long and complicated under the circumstances.

The Biden administration assumed that the US embassy in Kabul would remain open and that the Afghan government would retain control of the country for months after the US withdrawal, he




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As soon as Biden announced the withdrawal, the Pentagon said it was making preparations for a mass evacuation.

But by mid-June the administration still did not consider an evacuation necessary and favored the granting of special visas -- a process that can take up to two years. 

It was only at the end of June that the White House raised the possibility of evacuating the Afghan interpreters before the end of the military withdrawal, and asked for the Pentagon's help. 




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Asked during a press briefing on Monday about the delay of more than two months between the announcement of the withdrawal and the creation of the crisis cell, its director Garry Reid stressed that the Pentagon could only act in "support of the State Department." 

State Department spokesman Ned Price said that, when the administration realized that the situation was "quickly evolving," it launched what Operation Allied Refuge, which he described as "a gargantuan US effort not only to process, adjudicate and to grant visas to so-called Special Immigrants but to actually bring them to the United States with a massive airlift operation."

He said 2,000 Afghans have been brought to the US through the airlift so far. 

The action group, Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said, got stood up in July.

"But you can go back to the spring and  hear the Secretary (of Defense Lloyd Austin) himself talk about interpreters and translators and the sacred obligation that we know that we have to them," said Pentagon spokesman John Kirby. 




Posted by TchoupitoulasTiger
NOLA
Member since May 2011
1329 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 1:03 am to
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At the Pentagon, US military officials bitter as they watch chaos in Kabul


I saw the Pentagon press conference after Biden’s speech. To say the Pentagon threw the State Department under the bus would be an understatement.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
71165 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 1:07 am to


ToloNews female anchor interviews a Taliban official in their Kabul studio.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
71165 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 1:09 am to
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#BREAKING Taliban announce 'general amnesty' for govt officials, urges return to work: statement


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#UPDATES "A general amnesty has been declared for all ... so you should start your routine life with full confidence," says statement from the Taliban, two days after they took power following a lightning sweep through the country


Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63855 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 1:55 am to
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govt officials, urges return to work
Hell with covid 2.0 we can't even get that here.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
3330 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 2:09 am to
I wouldn't characterize it as throwing State Dept under bus. That's the nature of NEO (non-combatant evacuation) ops. State always has lead and drives the initial execution timing. Military is in a supporting role and if State doesn't see writing on wall and request NEO soon enough then we are behind power curve at execution. This is always a huge concern for NEO planning and requires ample contingency planning for likelihood of getting the ask from State too late and thus fighting our way in and out. So far, our air and ground forces seem to be holding their own in a tenuous and chaotic situation. Now is the time to support the troops rather than rooting for chaos to feed domestic political agendas.
Posted by Boomdaddy65201
BoCoMo
Member since Mar 2020
4733 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:41 am to
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This article just hit the Washington Post so you know the Biden Admin is totally screwed now. The WaPo has been pleading with Biden the last four days to get their people out of Afganistan and he ignored their pleas so they went with this humdinger of an Op Ed just now.

Afghan chaos left by US should be a warning to Taiwan: Chinese media

Never thought I’d be reading WaPo, but totally appreciate the link that was an excellent OpEd piece. It’s incredibly disheartening, especially if you read the comments, at how incredibly stupid our citizenry has become even with an advanced computer in their pocket. I stayed off this thread until late tonight because I’ve been surfing the international headlines and news to get the worldview. We’re fricked! Trending worldwide is who is running the United States? Was there really a coup and did Trump win the election? But the world is completely dumbfounded that they were watching an interview and a question & answer segment with the Taliban spokesman, yet the president of the United States refused to answer any questions and asway the fears of the free world.
Disbelief and betrayal: Europe reacts to Biden’s Afghanistan ‘miscalculation’
China warns U.S. not to ‘create new problems’ amid withdrawal from Afghanistan
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 4:05 am to
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Taiwan


China won’t move directly against Taiwan. It won’t have to. It will simply set up anti-ship missiles on islands in the sea lanes. Then it can starve Taiwan into submission.

The anti ship missiles are cheap and mobile. They leave such a small footprint and are so scattered that you can’t bomb them out. The Navy can’t get the fleet close without losing a billion dollar ship to a ten thousand dollar weapon. The Army can’t get there as a result.

That leaves the Marines. The Corps knows China’s plan and is actively preparing to counter it. They can get in with small vessels, clean out the islands and, using their own sea denial weapons, hold them with small numbers acting independently for a long time. (Think Guadalcanal.). Berger is a thinker and a pragmatist.
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 4:12 am
Posted by Hurricane Mike
Member since Jun 2008
20059 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 4:25 am to
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But do you think it would have been executed different if Trump was still in office?


Did Trump do anything like the establishment? He got elected because he had common sense unlike the establishment.
Posted by Armymann50
Playing with my
Member since Sep 2011
22421 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 4:25 am to
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That was a huge fricking blunder


all in joes plan relax
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71633 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 4:37 am to
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But do you think it would have been executed different if Trump was still in office?


I personally do because there were certain criteria the Taliban would have to meet during our withdrawal. If they became aggressive, Trump was more than willing to bomb them back into submission. Biden scrapped that plan and cut off all contact with Taliban leaders. He then abandoned our forward bases without giving the Afghans a chance to move in, left supplies out in the open and unguarded, and took away the Afghan army's ability to cover their ground forces from the air (a vital part of the Afghan military's doctrine).
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
31007 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 4:47 am to
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The anti ship missiles are cheap and mobile. They leave such a small footprint and are so scattered that you can’t bomb them out. The Navy can’t get the fleet close without losing a billion dollar ship to a ten thousand dollar weapon. The Army can’t get there as a result.


Why do you think the Army can't put boots on the ground on any landmass in the world? They sure as frick don't need a bunch of sailors to get them there.
Posted by AUFanInSoCal
Orange County
Member since Nov 2007
1616 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 5:41 am to
I believe that even if we performed a perfect 'conditions based withdrawal', Afghanistan would have succumbed to the Taliban. I just don't think Afghanistan is capable of defending herself even in a near perfect scenario.
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 5:48 am
Posted by moontigr
Dark Side of the Moon
Member since Nov 2020
7765 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 5:47 am to
I asked my mom - who’s a huge Biden supporter - what she thinks of the situation, and this was her response:

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Great! This has always been inevitable and no other president had the courage to do it. It's a shame that the Afghan president left. We could be there 100 years and it's always been obvious that they were not willing to fight. After 911, Our government decided that the those countries should be like us in terms of human rights, etc. they don't want to be like us. A number of countries, including Russia, have tried to help but have been defeated we are just the latest losers. We have always felt very strongly that we needed to get out! Trump had a deadline of May 1, 2021 and no plan beyond that. He played politics and cowered and stayed. This is the right thing.


I don’t even know how to respond to that. I honestly feel bad for her, and by the others like her who are totally oblivious.
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 4:32 pm
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42638 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 5:53 am to
She’s completely blinded by political tribalism. Nobody disagrees with leaving. Everyone should be disappointed/disgusted in how it was planned as executed.

It didn’t have to be this way and it should never be accepted or cheered.
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