re: T/F - high schools should be telling students to consider trades

Absolutely. My oldest son just completed a lineman apprentice program here in Montana. Graduated last Saturday and started his new job 2 days later. He had mutliple offers prior to graduation. Great pay, great benefits, career options.
The trades should definitely be pushed more to young ppl as an option.

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Absolutely. My oldest son just completed a lineman apprentice program here in Montana. Graduated last Saturday and started his new job 2 days later. He had mutliple offers prior to graduation. Great pay, great benefits, career options.
The trades should definitely be pushed more to young ppl as an option.

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cool and he has to travel everytime there is a big storm, do dangerous line of work and work in miserable weather.

thats fine if that is what he wants to do....but lets not act like it wouldnt have benefited him to have a college degree in something useful

trades have always been an option, they just suck to work in, anyone that has done it will tell you that.

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Youre an idiot for telling Americans to willingly accept being in a social class a full step lower to even the lowest H1B visa holder.

Its like you completely hate the men of your country. Zero ambition for them.

You'll get all the 3rd worlders you can imagine.

Awful. Never ask how we got where we are, just look in the mirror.

-Break your body
-Accept low pay while breaking your body
-High quality women ignore you because low status
-lots of hours working


Just say you hate young people and dont want them to actually flourish. Might as well send them to the mines to die for absolutely nothing.

Theres no promise of a family/marriage/retirement anymore. Anyone going in to back breaking "professions" without some stake in the social fabric is a complete idiot.

Boomers screaming "DO THE TRADES!!!" have no concept of every facet attached to accepting these positions and roles.

Drug addicts, ex cons and felons, etc. All in the trades. Its a horrible nasty culture with low pay and zero societal respect .

Would you tell your daughters to be an electrician or plumber? No? Then shut the frick up.

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yep...all of this, bunch of people who have never worked in the trades

let me explain what happened

fathers of the 50s & 60s worked the trades after the war...they encouraged their kids to go to college...they did, now those same people are encouraging their kids to take a step back and go into the trades.

then thay have the audacity to parade their ignorance on a board like this.


i mean, sure, general studies degrees dont do much, but how many guys are actually going into that?

and these same people literally have zero clue how many positions actually require a college degree no matter what. hell most sales positions do.

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The guys I know that I mentioned before are all millionaires. They aren't running lines to your mom's ceiling fans you absolute moron. They're building data centers and commercial buildings.

If I needed my line hooked up to my AC unit in the attic I wouldn't call them.

You really wrote all of that to sound like a fricking idiot.

Yes. I'd tell my son to get in the back of one of their trucks and learn for 5-6 years and then get his license. You're a retard.

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how many jobs do you think there are like that?


math is not your strong suite is it?

look at medians

and those people would have been successful no matter what. they have the IQ, critical thinking skills, and drive to be successful no matter what they do.


the median electrician in LA is either in an attic running wire or working in the plants if he is lucky for a contractor. if he is really really lucky he gets on with a plant permanent.

but the median guy is running wire in the attic. less than 10%(~7-8%) of electricians are self employed. so wtf is the other 90% supposed to do?

according to you....be thankful if you can make 75k on the top end or start traveling



btw....for those in the trade that go into business....25-30% fail within first year, 50% by 5 years and 65% fail within 10 years

so even those that go onto own the business....greater than 50% chance they dont make it a decade in business.

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That is not what I am saying. At all.

There are people that do not belong in college. Period.

There are also people obtaining worthless degrees or degrees in areas that are destined for obsolescence (and soon) because of AI.

That is what I am talking about.

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sure....they have always been encouraged to go into the trades.

why do you think guidance counselors are out there telling everyone to go to college, even those without the grades?

Only travel is from Butte to Missoula, Helena and he'll be home most days. Already had a wind storm on day 3. He considered line work in west Texas and I'm glad he decided to do fiber line work up here in Montana.

The trades should be talked about more. College isn't for everyone, the trades are also not for everyone. Just give kids some more options to think about. A college degree is no longer the end all be all.

He still will be climbing poles but wont be working directly with the higher voltage stuff that is definitely more dangerous.
I didn't realize I stepped into a PT peepee contest. Lots of strong opinions. Yikes

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Which will be decimated

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In your fantasy this means blue collar people will be out of work too. Who is going to pay for plumbers, residential construction, landscapers, car repair, etc off shitty UBI checks?

I think there's a way to encourage that career path even to smarter kids that could go to college, to learn that trade to own a business, a project manager, etc.

Its a lot more exciting to get a kid to learn how to be an electrician so he can be a project manager or business owner for large electrical projects, than simply pushing them to be a sparky or glue pipes together or hammer nails all day.

I certainly agree that college should not be the only path suggested.

I'm also not sure why there isn't some more schooling out there that involves working in trades type businesses while earning some sort of business or management degree.

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In your fantasy this means blue collar people will be out of work

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In whose fantasy? WTF are you talking about? You think I am cheering on AI?

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Who is going to pay for plumbers, residential construction, landscapers, car repair, etc off shitty UBI checks?

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AI will replace almost all of white collar jobs and some blue collar jobs whether you or I like it or not. It is already happening.