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re: Strip away whataboutism, election fraud, and specific GOPE policies, what does MAGA offer?

Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:38 am to
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26950 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:38 am to
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The USA Federal gov was funded by Tariffs until FDR.


Who funded the tariffs? Is a "tariff" a magic money shitting unicorn, or does the money still come from somewhere?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297947 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:38 am to
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Again.. BS! Inflation was caused by the excessive Covid payments and Biden's "Green Energy" along with suplly chains being crushed.


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In new research, Mary Amiti, an economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, and Sang Hoon Kong and David Weinstein, both economists at Columbia University, used movements in stock prices to measure the response to policy announcements on tariffs and the escalation of the U.S.-China trade war initiated by the Trump administration. “Stock prices are well suited for this purpose because firm market value equals the expected present value of future firm profits,” according to Amiti, Kong and Weinstein. “Therefore, movements in stock prices tell us about changes in the expected future value of firm-specific capital (both tangible and intangible).”

“The results suggest that markets interpreted the impact of the tariffs as much more negative than what economists initially estimated,” said David Weinstein in an interview. “Part of the reason stems from the fact that the U.S. tariffs rose significantly in 2019, and the earlier studies didn’t include these higher rates. Moreover, the new analysis suggests that the tariffs’ impact on productivity is likely to be a factor holding down U.S. growth rates. The tariffs protect the least efficient firms and reduced their incentives to innovate while hurting the most successful U.S. firms, reducing their ability to innovate.”


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A new study finds the Trump administration’s trade policies and tariffs reduced U.S. income at a rate of $1.4 billion per month by November. The Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Princeton and Columbia conservatively estimate that U.S. tariffs cost American consumers at least $6.9 billion last year.

This post was edited on 8/18/23 at 9:42 am
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55395 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:40 am to
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Yes, it hurt certain low-level, unskilled jobs in the US, but that was going to happen anyway if we kept progressing.



It did more than hurt low-level workers.




Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
2396 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:41 am to
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I love freedom, aka capitalism. Not socialist economic policies.


This is the hill IPFreedom died on.
What you see as
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socialist economic policies
are just done to level the playing field for American manufacturers. Foreign governments steal from their citizen to subsidize it's own nations manufacturing that would not be able to compete globally without it. With it, it can undercut American manufacturers. So by imposing tariffs on countries that do this, it theoretically would reduce this action and force them to compete via open market. Once that is done we would drop the tariffs, therefore decreasing global socialism.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30152 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:41 am to
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Strip away whataboutism, election fraud, and specific GOPE policies, what does MAGA offer?
Trade reciprocity to grow a manufacturing based and have less of a service based economy.

Less wars.

Policies to increase energy supply and lower energy costs.

Secure borders thus putting upward wage pressure on working class.

ETA: good judges that lead to decisions with good outcomes.


the truth hurts doesnt it ronbots

Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:41 am to
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Now a fence sitting moderate contrarian.
I'm only "fence sitting" b/c people have gone literally nuts and I stayed in reality.
It is all a matter of perspective, and you are talking to a group on the far right edge of the political landscape, dangling by their fingernails and in constant danger of tumbling forever into the abyss.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55395 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:43 am to
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RogerTheShrubber



Ole Rog loves his FDR policies!


Ole Rog thinks the USA was communist/Socialist until FDR put in Free Trade!
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33430 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:43 am to
I didnt vote for Trump because of policy issues. You can research my 2016 history and see that I was voting for him for one reason; to stick my thumb in the eye of the GOPe/Clintons

The policies were just a perk

But this is such a pathetic post, it further lessens your already diminished self on this board

* Foreign entanglements were greatly reduced
* Border security became a top priority (Ryan killed it)
* Repeal forced health care (McCain killed it)
* Exposed the bureaucracy (snd still doing it)
* Exposed the judicial system (via immigration obstruction)
* Exposed election theft (bigly)
* Dunked on China (all while fighting the Chamber)
* Moved toward energy independence
* Schedule F
* Flipped the court (McConnell was forced to go along because he was also up in '20)
* Exposed Comey and the FBI
* Exposed Cheney, Kinzinger, Romney, Murkowski, etc. All GOPe darlings

In fact, he was so effective that they faked a pandemic to get him out

And if they could fake a global pandemic that sacrificed lives, they didnt hesitate to stuff ballots

But youre still hoping the GOPe types extend a country club invitation to you, so that you can feel your life has merit. Stop worrying about the optics. As we have seen the last 8 years, it was all a mirage anyway
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467444 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:44 am to
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You have been a critic of the entire premise of American Exceptionalism in the past.

What? I'm a big bootstraps guy.

When was the last time I wasn't big on capitalism (aka freedom)? 2004? Early 2005?

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The larger philosophical point ( you erroneously call it esoteric) is that Trump voters perceive a shared vision.

Every group does this. I'm asking for the variables comprising that "shared vision" beyond generalities.

If you are arguing those generalities are all they have, well, bucko, they won't like that.

Esoteric references the perceived points/enemies. Nobody can define key points of the movement, like "globalism", "Establishment", etc. Hell, you see ITT what happens when you give the GOPE credit for GOPE policies Trump rubber-stamped. They freak out because it can't be, because that's TRUMP and we are AGAINST the GOPE!

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. You don’t really want their opinion, you just want to bludgeon them AGAIN , with Orange Man Bad.

Nowhere ITT is OMB.

This thread is asking for what policies, specific policies, create MAGA.

If you think the inability of this group to answer that is an indictment of Trump, well then you're agreeing with me.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297947 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:45 am to
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Ole Rog loves his FDR policies!



Youre very confused. Trump is far closer to FDR than a Republican
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467444 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:45 am to
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Education is ignorance

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Yes.



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You are lying again.

How? You are proposing government intervention in markets to redistribute from certain private individuals to others.

Literally Socialism.

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Dumbass!

If the right people won't have power...
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55395 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:46 am to
You can post all of the liberal and Free Trade think tanks all you want.

Numbers do not lie. Wage growth. Washing machines did not go up in price.


Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467444 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:46 am to
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It did more than hurt low-level workers.


Now you have to explain what that graph says...and GO
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:46 am to
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Warboo
SFP ... is the poster child for unreasonable.
His ideals do not align with the majority Hank. Yours do not either.
Not here, no.

I am quite proud of that fact, because most of you people are statist to the core.
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
24717 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:46 am to
Nothing is long-standing anymore. This country bounces back and forth so much now I get whiplash. It's alot harder to fix something somebody fricked up than it is to tear it all down and rebuild, but it's more painful to rebuild. Trump was on his way to getting things back right then everything went full retard with Covid and we ended up with dipshit as president. This country isn't completely fricked, but it's getting closer with each passing day.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16815 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:48 am to
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Voters like to be philosophically aligned with their candidate.

Word. Who here hasn’t paid hush money to a porn skank?
Posted by Bham4Tide
In a Van down by the River
Member since Feb 2011
24257 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:50 am to
Nothing.

He had both houses and did none of the shite he promised. Then lost to Joe freakin’ Biden.

But don’t tell the cult here that . . .
This post was edited on 8/18/23 at 10:45 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467444 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:50 am to
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are just done to level the playing field for American manufacturers.

Cool. Democrats also have reasons for their socialism.

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Foreign governments steal from their citizen to subsidize it's own nations manufacturing

Which gives a double benefit to US citizens, just FYI.

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With it, it can undercut American manufacturers.

Which saves Americans billions of dollars while decreasing the other country's investment in potentially competing industries. Double victory.

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So by imposing tariffs on countries that do this, it theoretically would reduce this action and force them to compete via open market.

You are just engaging in economic disruption of the market to redistribute.

You're creating higher prices (taking property from citizens) to justify inefficient wages (receiving property taken from others). Classic socialist redistribution. The USSR and China were famous for this exact scheme.

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Once that is done we would drop the tariffs, therefore decreasing global socialism.

Then the same equilibrium would result. Same that always happens when you remove socialism and let freedom reign.

We have advanced as an economy beyond paying these inefficient wages. Only government intervention can suck enough money from others to prop up the industries paying these wages.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
85459 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:51 am to
I gave you the answer to why his voters are so loyal. RobbBobb just gave you a solid substantive mini-list. You tell me which you think is more important. And you have your answer.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109791 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:52 am to
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He had both houses and did none of the shut he promised.


List all the conservative measures they put before him that he rejected.
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