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re: Stephen Miller- administration considering suspending habeas corpus
Posted on 5/11/25 at 4:30 am to KiwiHead
Posted on 5/11/25 at 4:30 am to KiwiHead
quote:
Do you carry your birth certificate with you or your naturalization papers
I carry my state-issued identification with me at all times, which requires my birth certificate to obtain. Yes.
This really isn't difficult. It cost me $12.
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Posted on 5/11/25 at 6:14 am to MizzouBS
quote:I am fully aware of underlying principle of the executive order, both in limitations and force of effect. My point remains the same. The judicial branch (particularly federal judges appointed by previous administrations) are obstructing his efforts to lead the executive branch and establish domestic policy.
Executive does not make the law. EO’s are not laws, but they have the force of a law.
EO’s can be overturned by judges or the next president without Congress getting involved.
By doing nothing Congress is obstructing Trump’s agenda more than anything
I consider the Congress to be (at best) worthless. At worst they are actively undermining his efforts.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 6:49 am to djsdawg
No, it's not. Your appeal to emotion and sentiment in this instance is more of a danger than any crimes that might be committed by the illegal immigrant. How would you know? If you suspend habeas the government is not obliged to announce charges on that person.
If you suspend habeas for the illegal immigrant, you are de facto suspending it wholesale across all classes even US citizens. Every person now becomes a target....not just those with accents.
If you suspend habeas for the illegal immigrant, you are de facto suspending it wholesale across all classes even US citizens. Every person now becomes a target....not just those with accents.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 6:51 am to TigerAxeOK
bullshite. No you don't.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 11:28 am to Wolfhound45
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The judicial branch (particularly federal judges appointed by previous administrations) are obstructing his efforts to lead the executive branch and establish domestic policy.
Executive branch does not set policy. Their job is to purpose policies. Then the legislative branch puts them into action
Posted on 5/11/25 at 11:38 am to TigerAxeOK
quote:
carry my state-issued identification with me at all times, which requires my birth certificate to obtain. Yes.
This really isn't difficult. It cost me $12.
What states that from or when was your last renewal? Oklahoma IDs start at $25....
Should also note that your Oklahoma ID doesn't give proof of citizenship just Oklahoma residency..... Immigrants living in. Oklahoma on Green cards or visas can also obtain one via other documents so that's not really valid.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 12:32 pm to KiwiHead
quote:
No, it's not. Your appeal to emotion and sentiment in this instance is more of a danger than any crimes that might be committed by the illegal immigrant. How would you know? If you suspend habeas the government is not obliged to announce charges on that person.
If you suspend habeas for the illegal immigrant, you are de facto suspending it wholesale across all classes even US citizens. Every person now becomes a target....not just those with accents.
Kiwi - I have a lot of respect for you as a poster in these threads. We don't see eye-to-eye on everything but I can't remember a time I didn't at least understand/respect your POV. In that vein, I have a couple of questions, if you would -
What's the answer? We've got 20 million (probably a lot more) people inside our borders that do not belong. You don't like how Trump is trying to rectify the situation, so explain what he should be doing to meet the objective of deporting several million illegals in the next 3 years without spending a half trillion dollars.
How did Obama do it? That's an honest question because I don't remember the over 3 million deportees during his tenure all having their day in court, but maybe I just didn't notice.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 12:35 pm to KiwiHead
quote:
No, it's not. Your appeal to emotion and sentiment in this instance is more of a danger than any crimes that might be committed by the illegal immigrant. How would you know? If you suspend habeas the government is not obliged to announce charges on that person.
What post did you forget to quote?
Literal Rape and murder is much worse than you are claiming.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 2:19 pm to MizzouBS
quote:Wrong.
Executive branch does not set policy.
The executive branch establishes policy by means of means of statements, white papers, executive orders et al. The legislative branch follow this lead and passes legislation that provides the funding for and codifies these policies. They have not done that.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 5:10 pm to KiwiHead
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bullshite. No you don't.
Get pulled over without having that drivers license on you. Its the same thing. Your arse aint getting due process on the shoulder of the road. Theyre not just going to take your word for whoever you say you are
Posted on 5/11/25 at 6:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
I see SFP has made new posts in other threads so, this is yet another thread where I posted questions and asked for substantiation and SFP ran.
Just want to make sure the fraud is documented
Just want to make sure the fraud is documented
Posted on 5/11/25 at 7:18 pm to djsdawg
quote:Yep. Just like "how many lives would be saved if we chucked the 2A and banned guns". Congrats. You've become a Democrat.
How many “mistakes per assault, murder and rape of an American by an illegal?” Is a better question.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 7:20 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:What makes you think I claimed that?
You think our country had never deported people before January of this year?
Posted on 5/11/25 at 7:20 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
Yep. Just like "how many lives would be saved if we chucked the 2A and banned guns". Congrats. You've become a Democrat.
Terrible analogy. Guns are needed to protect you from bad people with guns. Illegal immigration isn’t like that.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 7:22 pm to RobbBobb
So you carry your birth certificate with you at all times? I get carrying your driver's license, of course, but you are full of shite if you are saying you are carrying your birth certificate....your name should be PooPoo.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 7:23 pm to RohanGonzales
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If there was a "right" side, there would be no need for lawyers. Instead, if you have enough money, you can buy lawyers to argue diametrically opposite opinions on ANYTHING.
there is a right side and when lawyers point that out you cry nonstop.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 7:25 pm to KiwiHead
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Just going for a slide on that slope
of all the slippery slopes to all the sudden care about. Posted on 5/11/25 at 7:27 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:If you're walking down the street, what proof does one have of being a citizen? HINT: Driver's licenses don't do it. Illgals in many states can get licenses.
What is wrong with you. How are citizens currently identified?
quote:That's nice. But without any due process, you don't have the chance to prove it. That's the point.
I am a citizen and I can prove it.
quote:So you're saying none of the J6 people were wrongfully arrested? Go look up Judge David Fleisher on youtube. He tosses cases on probable cause all the time.
This is stupid. You people are taking a completely unreasonable scenario
quote:
The point is - complaining that the choice to deport illegals is going to be somewhere less than perfect is no excuse to not deport illegals
because no one said that. I'm all for deporting illegals. This isn't about deporting illegals. It's about deporting people who aren't illegal. quote:Yep. Just like "if you aren't doing anything wrong, you shouldn't mind the police searching you.".
You said we're surrendering our rights. Name one person who has done that if habeus was suspended for illegals
quote:
"might"?? What the hell is that? Are they here illegally or not?
That's point. If the government doesn't have to prove they are, they could potentially deport anyone for anything, then force the deportee to prove their citizenship. I guess you trust the government to be perfect. Posted on 5/11/25 at 7:31 pm to djsdawg
quote:Nope. The 2A to to protect you from the government. As is the 4th and 5th amendments you want to toss.
Terrible analogy. Guns are needed to protect you from bad people with guns.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 7:36 pm to Taxing Authority
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Nope. The 2A to to protect you from the government. As is the 4th and 5th amendments you want to toss.
2a protects from anyone who threatens you. Deporting illegals protects from illegals who threaten you. Very similar ideas.
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