re: South Africa is about to go full Zimbabwe

The irony here is these SA whites have been there longer than the current black population. They settled uninhabited land long ago.

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But you can’t (or wouldnt) completely create an infrastructure for a place that isnt your colony.

How much of the 3rd world would have any real sort if infrastructure, were they forced to do everything on their own?

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yeah this is one of the main parts of human development via empire/colonialism

as fricked up as it is, destroying multiculturalism is part of it, too. Africa was always going to face issues with development in the modern world b/c it was so large it hadn't really faced modern imperial might. due to this, it had WAY too many cultures, languages, etc to develop

for all intents and purposes, it was uninhabited

a sparse population of pastoral people who had no concept of owning/controlling an area of land (without the necessary associated behaviors that go along with this) isn't really a strong counterpoint

there were no stable populations of humans in that area and no other population has any older claim to the land than white Europeans

you're kind of playing semantics to make a mountain out of a mole hill

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This is the braintrust running the country.

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I thought you guys loved all of that gun stuff. So what's your issue?

If you are white in South Africa you have to know it is only a matter of time until they come for you.

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Africa was always going to face issues with development in the modern world b/c it was so large it hadn't really faced modern imperial might. due to this, it had WAY too many cultures, languages, etc to develop

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I mean, large parts of Africa were conquered by Islamic Empires. While it's tremendous size did have an effect on modernization, I'd argue that war, famine, and one-party rule had more of an effect on development than the cultural or linguistic diversity. I mean, Europe had quite a bit of linguistic diversity as well, and modernization efforts in multiple countries required sidelining regional languages. African countries have only begun those sorts of efforts. African linguistic diversity is also a bit more neatly grouped, which will serve those modernization efforts.

I mean, large parts of Africa were conquered by Islamic empires, and the river valleys that developed agriculture also developed language. The geographic features of the continent, with a desert larger than the landmass of the US separating countries, meant that wide divisions would develop in terms of development before the industrial era. Still West Africa, North Africa, the Horn, and the Nile River Valley were highly developed before the age of colonialism.

One feature of colonialism that is consistent is that parts of the population sided with the colonizers. That's true in the Americas and everywhere else. It was also true of the Islamic invasions into Europe.

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. Still West Africa, North Africa, the Horn, and the Nile River Valley were highly developed before the age of colonialism.

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earlier i was much more careful in saying "SSA" and not just "Africa". North Africa and the horn are completely different animals with much more historical imprints (that led to massive differences in development)

People also rarely mean West Africa when they discuss Africa too. They usually mean Central and Southern Africa, which were two of the more difficult regions to colonize. The places I mentioned had all the features of other civilizations. More advanced civilizations like Europeans, Chinese, MENA had some idea of otherness, and used that as a method of organization in a sort of us vs them fashion (I'm generalizing to a massive degree here). I don't know enough about the other regions of Africa to say that they didn't, but I'd wager that animistic religions and ethical philosophies probably lent themselves to diversity, and thus decentralization, which aids your original point.

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From my readings (which, of course, may be completely inaccurate - I've never visited South Africa), it is already much, much worse than Detroit.

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I hear it’s gonna be worse than New Orleans

It’s not just farm land. It’s all property.

If you purchased land from a zulu, build a home, develop the property, or a business there, the zulu can claim it in spite of the recorded bill of sale and deed. Said zulu gets the land and all of your developments on the land - for free. You get nothing.

Justify that.