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re: Social Security and Medicare need to be eliminated
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:43 am to SloaneRanger
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:43 am to SloaneRanger
quote:Thank you, AND eliminate all foreign (humanitarian) aid, all Welfare, Medicaid, SNAP, WIC, government subsidized housing, education grants. Cut off the teat that millions of leaches feed off from the cradle to the fricking grave. This country is bankrupt, cut all the bullshite out. It'd be every man for himself, only the strong survive.
When all benefits and payouts of any kind are eliminated for non-citizens we can talk. But that needs to be done first.
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Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:45 am to TIGERHOLD
How much do people pay into SS compared to what they get out of SS as a percentage
Is this value known?
Is this value known?
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:45 am to TIGERHOLD
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I am tired of these boomers saying they’re for “small government” when they are deepthroating the Medicare and social security teats. The only way to save the American economy is a wholesale elimination of these programs which do nothing but strangle the economy just so the boomers can get a few more years out
After 65, we have no choice in health care. Try telling a HCP you are going to pay cash. And there is nothing I could do about SS. They took money from my pay check. I could not opt out.
So figure out what you want and get the legislation passed. Call it the "I Want My Money for Me" bill. IW MMM bill.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:47 am to pirate75
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Fine, eliminate it, but there better be a pay out for what I have put in This, plus interest.
I’ll be nice and just ask for the money I contributed under threat of fines and imprisonment.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:47 am to TIGERHOLD
Gen X is just now turning 61. How big of an idiot would you have to be to turn away SS benefits that start paying out at 62? 
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:48 am to SallysHuman
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You could post it if you wanted to.
And here you go. Two pages earlier I posted the actual numbers and someone still posted the quoted part below. This is typical here.
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Thank you, AND eliminate all foreign (humanitarian) aid, all Welfare, Medicaid, SNAP, WIC, government subsidized housing, education grants. Cut off the teat that millions of leaches feed off from the cradle to the fricking grave. This country is bankrupt, cut all the bullshite out. It'd be every man for himself, only the strong survive.
Facts do not matter to populists, and nothing matters to stupid. And that is why I have stopped trying to post them.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:49 am to lake chuck fan
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Ahhhhhh.... no thanks! Both systems need to be cleaned up and fraud/abuse eliminated, but neither should be eliminated.
100%
So the American people who worked all their life giving back to society , paid thousands into SS, Never taking a dime of welfare, paid their taxes, etc now we should just say sorry! Mean while the communist liberal left ( as well as any republican puppet master phonies) and these scum keep getting rich from back door schemes paid by tax payers from phony over seas organizations collecting billions over the years. I don’t think so!
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:49 am to TIGERHOLD
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Buy your own insurance like the rest of us have to.
But you can't do it. They more or less force us into Medicare.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:50 am to wackatimesthree
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Two pages earlier I posted the actual numbers and someone still posted the quoted part below. This is typical here.
Fair enough.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:50 am to TIGERHOLD
The boomers had everything handed to them? What a fricking joke. Beginning in 1950-55, those who came of age built the American economy and helped establish America as the most powerful nation on earth. That is an empirical fact…
To your point, SS and Medicare are fairly modest programs of their type
in relative terms.
Social Security can be reformed without elimination. Indexing benefits would be a good start, Or you could raise the retirement age. A combination of the two would make a huge difference.
To your point, SS and Medicare are fairly modest programs of their type
in relative terms.
Social Security can be reformed without elimination. Indexing benefits would be a good start, Or you could raise the retirement age. A combination of the two would make a huge difference.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:50 am to TIGERHOLD
The boomers had everything handed to them? What a fricking joke. Beginning in 1950-55, those who came of age built the American economy and helped establish America as the most powerful nation on earth. That is an empirical fact…
To your point, SS and Medicare are fairly modest programs of their type
in relative terms.
Social Security can be reformed without elimination. Indexing benefits would be a good start, Or you could raise the retirement age. A combination of the two would make a huge difference.
To your point, SS and Medicare are fairly modest programs of their type
in relative terms.
Social Security can be reformed without elimination. Indexing benefits would be a good start, Or you could raise the retirement age. A combination of the two would make a huge difference.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:50 am to jrodLSUke
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Gen X is just now turning 61. How big of an idiot would you have to be to turn away SS benefits that start paying out at 62?
Yes, take it at 62. You don't know how long you will live and a bird in had is better than.......
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:52 am to TIGERHOLD
Good intentions of Democrat policies.
1. Social security created in 1935 as part of FDRs new deal.
2. Medicare was created in 1965 under LBJ.
Today’s retirees have paid into these plans their entire lives expecting to avail themselves of future benefits as promised. Self-employed (like me) pay both the individual rate plus employer portion. Yes, many of us do believe in “small government” as you suggest. A “small government” would not borrow from the SS Trust Fund. A “small government” would never have created either of these social programs to begin with. A “small government” would not be rife with so much fraud that it cannot track or contain. But, a “small government” is not possible for an evermore dependent population that has eaten so liberally from the trough of the 20th century.
1. Social security created in 1935 as part of FDRs new deal.
2. Medicare was created in 1965 under LBJ.
Today’s retirees have paid into these plans their entire lives expecting to avail themselves of future benefits as promised. Self-employed (like me) pay both the individual rate plus employer portion. Yes, many of us do believe in “small government” as you suggest. A “small government” would not borrow from the SS Trust Fund. A “small government” would never have created either of these social programs to begin with. A “small government” would not be rife with so much fraud that it cannot track or contain. But, a “small government” is not possible for an evermore dependent population that has eaten so liberally from the trough of the 20th century.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:56 am to TIGERHOLD
quote:You can go frick right off.
Social Security and Medicare need to be eliminated
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:59 am to Jake88
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“The average net worth of a person aged 65 to 74 was $1.8 million in 2022, up 178% from the same age group in 1989, adjusted for inflation.”
I have a difficult time believing this.
Are you going to give me the hundreds of thousands I've been forced to pay into SS and Medicare the last 25 years? With the capital gains I'd have earned had it not been taken from me?
Technically true, but this figure is skewed by high earners; the median net worth for this group is much lower at roughly $410,000
Posted on 2/20/26 at 9:01 am to TIGERHOLD
Yeah the new Boomer power play is Property Taxes.
Eliminating Property Taxes overwhelmingly help the individuals who own homes, which the majority are BOOOMERS
We should have eliminated SSec and Medicare a decade ago. Same amount of money if merely invested in a taxable brokerage account would have 10x'd.
Eliminating Property Taxes overwhelmingly help the individuals who own homes, which the majority are BOOOMERS
We should have eliminated SSec and Medicare a decade ago. Same amount of money if merely invested in a taxable brokerage account would have 10x'd.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 9:02 am to RT1941
quote:literally letting the seniors out to pasture huh
It'd be every man for himself, only the strong survive.
Sign me up Baw
Posted on 2/20/26 at 9:05 am to TIGERHOLD
i mean im all for getting rid of SSN....but those people did pay in their whole life.
i just want to be able to voluntarily leave the program. its a very very bad investment in my case.
i just want to be able to voluntarily leave the program. its a very very bad investment in my case.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 9:05 am to TIGERHOLD
I would much rather have the option to invest my own funds that rely on social secuirty.
Make it a simple check box - 6.2% goes into a 401(k) or the like or participate in Social Security.
I can guarantee that 6.2% of my income in an investment account would yield far more than whatever I may or may not get on social security.
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Social Security tax rate is 6.2% for employees and 6.2% for employers, totaling 12.4%
Make it a simple check box - 6.2% goes into a 401(k) or the like or participate in Social Security.
I can guarantee that 6.2% of my income in an investment account would yield far more than whatever I may or may not get on social security.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 9:12 am to VOR
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The boomers had everything handed to them? What a fricking joke. Beginning in 1950-55, those who came of age built the American economy and helped establish America as the most powerful nation on earth.
I'm definitely of the opinion that the "frick the Boomers" narrative is just populist nonsense. And, most of the people who say it don't seem to even know what age group the Boomers are. I think they think anybody over 40 is a Boomer
Speaking of which, Boomers were born between 1946-1964. So none of them were "coming of age" in 1950-1955. You'd have to fast forward to the mid-60s to get to Boomers of age.
You're talking about the Silent Generation, born between 1928-1945. My parent's generation. They were the ones who built the economy and helped establish America as the most powerful nation on Earth.
My initial sentence notwithstanding, the Boomers were a very self-centered lot. I do think they contributed greatly toward the degeneration of the country, but not in the way that the populist youth think. They started the ruination of American culture.
They were the ones who accepted, celebrated, and began to infiltrate education, entertainment, and the media to indoctrinate everyone they could about the "isms" they embraced after WWII. Hedonism. Feminism. Post-Modernism. Communism. Socialism. Scientism. "Diversity is our strength," intersectionality, collectivism, identity politics.
That was (and still is) the Boomers.
Economically they acted pretty much like anybody else probably would have given the exact circumstances, although I will say that they were particularly suited to be hypocrites about it because they were being Gordon Gecko in the 80s at age 40 while previously having claimed to be liberated communal hippies who had divested themselves of materialism in the 60s at age 20.
I get why they get bagged on. But the unique contribution they made to the destruction of the country wasn't economic. It was cultural. And the irony is that the youngs today generally accept most of the cultural bullshite that they established in society so well. They rail against nothing while ignoring the real issue.
This post was edited on 2/20/26 at 9:13 am
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