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re: So XI Joe is banning private businesses
Posted on 4/30/21 at 8:53 am to Powerman
Posted on 4/30/21 at 8:53 am to Powerman
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The prison industrial complex acts as a lobbying influence to keep more people in prison
Private prison stocks exploded the day Kamala was nominated for VP. She has a long track record of helping them keep people in prison
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Posted on 4/30/21 at 8:54 am to the808bass
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I’m not excited about profit-driven prisons. But it’s not a great argument against them that profit is a big driver in incarceration rates.
I don't have an issue with private prisons. They are only getting "customers" who a government has decided needs to be imprisoner.
I have a much bigger issue with the state of Louisiana not being able to correctly calculate release dates.
Posted on 4/30/21 at 8:54 am to Powerman
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Do you have a top ten list you could share with us to back this up? It's not that I don't believe you. I'd just like to see some data.
I don’t have any hard data, nor am I going to research it right now, but off the top of my head I’d go with
Rise of single parent households and the
War on Drugs
Just for starters.
Oh also the 3 strikes your out rule
Posted on 4/30/21 at 8:57 am to Niamey Vice
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Private prisons are a bad idea
Why?
Posted on 4/30/21 at 8:58 am to Powerman
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You don't see a problem with having a profit incentive to keep as many people incarcerated as possible?
This sounds like a regulation thing and the government being swayed by a lobby... The private prison certainly does not keep people incarcerated...
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The prison industrial complex acts as a lobbying influence to keep more people in prison
It must not be working because we have a hell of a lot of people running around outside with some pretty extensive rap sheets...
ETA you also realize that he is referring to temporary detention center on the border as well, right?
This post was edited on 4/30/21 at 9:02 am
Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:01 am to Flats
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Why?
In a vacuum with no other outside influences I think they’re a great idea. In a society where politicians and judges can be bribed to put more people in jail they are a terrible idea.
Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:03 am to Ice Cream Sammich
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can't he abolish ice cream stands
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Ice Cream Sammich
You better hope he's wrong....
Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:04 am to Powerman
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Private prisons are a bad idea
Of course they are
compare the usps (govt) to FedEx.
that is why private is better
Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:04 am to Niamey Vice
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In a society where politicians and judges can be bribed to put more people in jail they are a terrible idea.
But how is that any different than the military industry, insurance, pharma or anything else? They all bribe the government to have more control over us. The problem is the scope and size of federal government, not the specific industries.
Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:05 am to Powerman
Now do public prisons operated by sheriffs that fund the county.
IMO, the business model is the same as private prisons.
IMO, the business model is the same as private prisons.
Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:08 am to ksayetiger
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compare the usps (govt) to FedEx.
that is why private is better
Not for prisons
You're incredibly stupid
Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:09 am to Flats
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But how is that any different than the military industry, insurance, pharma or anything else? They all bribe the government to have more control over us. The problem is the scope and size of federal government, not the specific industries.
It’s not any different. I’ll refer you to my previous post where I said the lobbying industry is a bigger danger than private prisons. And of course the lobbying industry would be substantially weaker if the federal government was substantially weaker.
Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:11 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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IMO, the business model is the same as private prisons.
Many do not realize that the Federal and State governments in most places will pay Counties to house inmates for them... There have been several County jails built just to house State and Federal inmates...
Same, same...
Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:12 am to Powerman
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Not for prisons
So, a private prison is not more efficient than its government counterpart?
Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:13 am to Niamey Vice
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It’s not any different.
Right, so focusing on prisons misses the root cause. I don’t think they’re a fabulous idea or a horrible one; they’re a symptom.
Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:13 am to LSUROXS
I despise all things Biden....but I don't believe privately owned prisons should exist.
Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:14 am to Flats
quote:Right, that’s exactly what I said in the post you replied to
I don’t think they’re a fabulous idea or a horrible one; they’re a symptom
Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:15 am to BamaCoaster
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I’ll try to summarize:
Our govt/politicians are run by campaign financing. In other parts of the world, they are rightly called bribes. Since private prisons became a thing in the 70’s, our prison population (in the land of the free) has increased 300%. We incarcerate more per capita than any place on the planet.
Because private prisons are run by corps, those corps pay politicians, who in turn make policy that benefit the corps, which in turn leads to mass incarceration.
Private prisons are a scourge on our society, and I HATE joe Biden, but I’ll defend his position on this with everything I have.
so the real problem is the politician and not the prison.
Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:25 am to ProjectP2294
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They're used as the scapegoat for high incarceration rates instead of looking at the culture(s) that breed criminality.
This right here. The real issue is black culture, which puts gang members on a pedestal and considers doing time as a badge of honor. I get the arguments against private prisons, but the root cause should be addressed before anything else.
Posted on 4/30/21 at 9:26 am to The Maj
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Eh, they are typically run better and more efficiently than the government run counterparts... Other than there being private what is the big issue with them?
There are all sorts of fake narratives about them. It's just more social justice BS and it's one of those things that you can get conservatives to bite on. Just more BS to let felons out of prisons because muh over incarceration.
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