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re: Should businesses have the right to turn away those who can't prove they were vaccinated?
Posted on 3/1/21 at 12:22 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 3/1/21 at 12:22 pm to AggieHank86
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Your gym is not ..
The gym is responsible and it's employees for not divulging private health information under Hipaa. It is not just health related companies. Do you know the reason for the development of HIPAA?
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Posted on 3/1/21 at 12:25 pm to RD Dawg
Yes... private businesses should be able to turn away whoever they want (but of course there's a double standard for that)
Posted on 3/1/21 at 12:29 pm to themunch
quote:we have discussed “covered entities“ at some length in this thread. Please show us your analysis as to how the local boxing gym or discoteque constitutes a covered entity.
The gym is responsible and it's employees for not divulging private health information under Hipaa
quote:What part of the statute are you referencing? HIPAA had existed for almost a decade before the privacy provisions were added.
Do you know the reason for the development of HIPAA?
This post was edited on 3/1/21 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 3/1/21 at 1:10 pm to RD Dawg
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Yes,I know it might be a little difficult to prove but I was issued a vaccination "card"after my first shot.
Where's your vaccination card for Measles, Mumps, Meningitis, etc...?
Posted on 3/2/21 at 7:20 am to AggieHank86
quote:
AggieHank86
Now do bakers rights.
Posted on 3/2/21 at 7:30 am to Knartfocker
quote:Im pretty sure porn production or brothels where they are legal do this...
Should businesses have the right to turn away those who can't prove they don't have HIV?
Posted on 3/2/21 at 7:56 am to TaderSalad
quote:Simple enough
TaderSalad
Now do bakers rights.
Ideologically, a baker (or a butcher or a candlestick maker) SHOULD have the right to do (or decline) business with anyone for any reason or for no reason. I believe that strict construction of the Constitution also supports this view.
Legally, public accommodation and protected class statutes currently interfere with that right. I believe those statutes to be unconstitutional, but a century of Commerce Clause jurisprudence disagrees. It would take a SCOTUS with YUGE cojones to change it.
I have said the same hundreds of times on this very forum. Some posters just seem to have difficulty grasping the difference between that which SHOULD be and that which IS.
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 11:08 am
Posted on 3/2/21 at 8:24 am to tween the hedges
quote:
porn production or brothels
Fair point
Posted on 3/2/21 at 10:24 am to PsychTiger
quote:
Now how about if you're unvaccinated AND gay?
They don't let you enter the building but still have to bake you a cake?
You might have meant to be facetious here, but this is precisely correct. Anyhow, there are no laws on the books that protect against discrimination against the unvaccinated. Any business can totally do this if they want.
That said, they won't want to because:
1. it would be expensive and administratively burdensome to enforce.
2. they like money and thus want money from these customers
Only businesses where they might lose other customers will have this rule - hospitals, airlines, etc.
Which is not to say business won't end up force you to get a vaccine. It just won't be you retailer, but rather your employer who will soon have a financial incentive via the Payers to force you into it.
Posted on 3/2/21 at 10:31 am to RD Dawg
I firmly believe that any non-monopolistic business, or private organization should be able to turn away any individual as long as they receive NO govt. assistance at all.
Posted on 3/2/21 at 10:33 am to RD Dawg
No, because this isn't a vaccination. It's a flu shot that you apparently need to take annually.
Posted on 3/2/21 at 11:09 am to BiteMe2020
quote:Certainly that is a distinction, but how does it make any substantive difference?
No, because this isn't a vaccination. It's a flu shot that you apparently need to take annually.
The business owner either has a right to control access to his property ... or he does not. If he "does not," it isn't REALLY "his" property, is it?
Posted on 3/2/21 at 11:51 am to AggieHank86
quote:Bingo. The exception being if the business is benefited directly by tax payers' money.
The business owner either has a right to control access to his property ... or he does not. If he "does not," it isn't REALLY "his" property, is it?
Posted on 3/2/21 at 11:54 am to BiteMe2020
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No, because this isn't a vaccination. It's a flu shot that you apparently need to take annually.
So what you're saying is that you don't know what a vaccine is. Got it.
Posted on 3/2/21 at 11:55 am to coachcrisp
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The exception being if the business is benefited directly by tax payers' money.
Which is 100% of businesses then.
Posted on 3/2/21 at 11:58 am to RD Dawg
Shouldn’t we trust the science and let the virus just kill the ones that don’t get the shot?
Posted on 3/3/21 at 5:24 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
That's the one!
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