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re: Seems one party roundly supports mail in voting and one party opposes
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:03 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:03 pm to Y.A. Tittle
I guess I'll just have to play my part to KAG. If they allow it there will be the most votes in history and more than likely almost every American will "vote"
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Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:04 pm to Korkstand
quote:So no example?
Ones that make the poor and disabled do things that are difficult for poor and disabled people to do.
quote:Like what, tossing out walking around money?
And be honest here... if there were not a party pulling in the other direction, do you really think republicans would not keep doing more and more things that shift turnout in their favor?
quote:Meh, the R/D breakdown much like the country is fairly evenly split.
Conservatives are clearly outnumbered.
Now you need to work over the BernieBots who won't show up for Dementia Joe.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:09 pm to roadGator
quote:
Yes. I’d call that buying votes.
When I worked for a Medicaid hmo all the reps would go door to door signing up people.
People would sign based on the inducement.
Water bottles were the beginning and the inducement went up from there.
Now they can’t give Medicaid folks such inducements. Why?
Because it’s wrong.
A political operative shouldn’t provide inducements in trade for votes.
As an example that will surely explode a few heads around here, how does an offer of a bottle of water in exchange for a vote compare to promising a reduction in taxes in exchange for a vote?
I know the response will be that that is totally different because a thousand reasons, but it is pretty absurd to suggest that a vote can be bought with a bottle of water. Maybe it can be, though.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:11 pm to Korkstand
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As an example that will surely explode a few heads around here, how does an offer of a bottle of water in exchange for a vote compare to promising a reduction in taxes in exchange for a vote?
In one instance someone is giving you something that was not yours before, in the other instance you are being allowed to keep more of something that was yours
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:12 pm to Korkstand
quote:One was delivered and the other is a political stance, like a plank in the Parties mantra.
As an example that will surely explode a few heads around here, how does an offer of a bottle of water in exchange for a vote compare to promising a reduction in taxes in exchange for a vote?
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:19 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:You define "turnout" as the percentage that shows up physically rather than the percentage that votes?
VbM would significantly lower turnout. It could up vote count.
quote:So because it has happened as a result means that was the goal?
Yet that is what we saw in California and NC with vote "harvesting". The case was prosecuted in NC.
Again, I'm not trying to support VbM in this thread. I think it is clearly an avenue for fraud and we should do what is possible/reasonable to prevent it. I'm just making the case that being against VbM makes it just as easy to read nefarious intent into the motive.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:24 pm to Jbird
quote:Uh no VbM and ID requirements, for two.
So no example?
quote:No, like pushing registration deadlines far ahead of elections, purging "inactive" voter rolls, things of that nature.
Like what, tossing out walking around money?
quote:I disagree.
Meh, the R/D breakdown much like the country is fairly evenly split.
quote:We can agree that Biden is an absolutely awful candidate. If the dems would get their heads out of their asses and put up a decent candidate, I think you would see how heavily the country leans D in November.
Now you need to work over the BernieBots who won't show up for Dementia Joe.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:26 pm to Korkstand
quote:Do you know anyone that doesn't have an ID?
Uh no VbM and ID requirements, for two.
quote:
No, like pushing registration deadlines far ahead of elections, purging "inactive" voter rolls, things of that nature.
So never do voter roll maintenance? quote:They haven't leaned heavily in decades why the sudden change?
I think you would see how heavily the country leans D in November.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:29 pm to Jbird
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Do you know anyone that doesn't have an ID?
I wonder how all of the people who are too poor to get an id end up getting their government benefits?
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:33 pm to jchamil
quote:That was the rationale I most expected, but that argument falls apart under honest scrutiny.
In one instance someone is giving you something that was not yours before, in the other instance you are being allowed to keep more of something that was yours
Take the stimulus checks as an example. Of the people qualified to receive them, some paid more than that in taxes, and some paid less, but every qualified person received the same thing. Does the amount you paid in taxes determine whether your check was a gift or an effective tax break?
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:34 pm to Korkstand
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As an example that will surely explode a few heads around here, how does an offer of a bottle of water in exchange for a vote compare to promising a reduction in taxes in exchange for a vote?
I know the response will be that that is totally different because a thousand reasons, but it is pretty absurd to suggest that a vote can be bought with a bottle of water. Maybe it can be, though.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:36 pm to Korkstand
I should have said a branded water bottle like a trade show giveaway.
Yes. I believe for a certain segment of the population a water bottle, a snack and a dem sponsored ride to the polls is enough to buy a vote.
A promise to decrease taxes is a promise to many and helps many.
A water bottle helps one and furthermore is not a policy or even a position.
Yes. I believe for a certain segment of the population a water bottle, a snack and a dem sponsored ride to the polls is enough to buy a vote.
A promise to decrease taxes is a promise to many and helps many.
A water bottle helps one and furthermore is not a policy or even a position.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:36 pm to Korkstand
quote:Subtle distinction are not effective here.
I'm not trying to support VbM in this thread. ... I'm just making the case that being against VbM makes it just as easy to read nefarious intent into the motive.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:39 pm to Y.A. Tittle
For some stupid reason, our republican Secretary of State here in Louisiana is pushing mail in voting and even more stupid is that there quite a few "republicans" in the legislature that are supportive of it.
If Ardoin keeps pushing this scam that will be abused by liberals, he should be primaried and voted out of office in 2023 along with the "republicans" that vote in favor of it.
If Ardoin keeps pushing this scam that will be abused by liberals, he should be primaried and voted out of office in 2023 along with the "republicans" that vote in favor of it.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:39 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Subtle distinction are not effective here.
Knot fer us dumb tipes here, only u really smart fellers can understand and comprehend subtle distinctions.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:39 pm to Korkstand
quote:Are you suggesting that money is a buy off for voting?
Take the stimulus checks as an example. Of the people qualified to receive them, some paid more than that in taxes, and some paid less, but every qualified person received the same thing. Does the amount you paid in taxes determine whether your check was a gift or an effective tax break?
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:41 pm to Jbird
quote:Probably. I don't make it a habit of asking everyone for ID, though.
Do you know anyone that doesn't have an ID?
quote:Laugh all you want, but every single thing the GOP does regarding voting has the effect that only fewer people can vote. If you name a single instance in the last couple decades of republicans doing something that even had the possibility of adding to the possible voter pool, I will gladly look into it. Until then, I'm just telling you that it's easy to read nefarious intent.
quote:TDS. Seriously. Trump is probably the worst thing that could have happened to the republican party. He has motivated a lot of people to get more involved in politics.
They haven't leaned heavily in decades why the sudden change?
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:43 pm to Korkstand
quote:Yes voter roll cleanup is nefarious.
Until then, I'm just telling you that it's easy to read nefarious intent.
quote:Yup never stood a chance the first time either.
TDS. Seriously. Trump is probably the worst thing that could have happened to the republican party. He has motivated a lot of people to get more involved in politics.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:44 pm to Jbird
quote:Absolutely not.
Are you suggesting that money is a buy off for voting?
I simply asked the question of whether the amount someone pays in taxes determines whether it was a gift or a tax break.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:45 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
quote:
I'm not trying to support VbM in this thread. ... I'm just making the case that being against VbM makes it just as easy to read nefarious intent into the motive.
Subtle distinction are not effective here.
I don’t hide my leanings at all and would never in a million years call myself a “moderate” (or wish to be called such by anyone).
However, the OP was very deliberately (and I assert honestly) a question directed straight down the middle - directed for honest answers to each “side.”
I think there are certainly innocuous and nefarious intentions coming from all directions. I was simply curious as to what others might see those to be with regard to this issue.
ETA, and for the most part I feel like I got what I was seeking.
This post was edited on 4/23/20 at 3:47 pm
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