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re: Seems one party roundly supports mail in voting and one party opposes
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:46 pm to Korkstand
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:46 pm to Korkstand
quote:Not sure why that question was asked in this thread then, well considering some get EITC I guess you could again call that a gift.
I simply asked the question of whether the amount someone pays in taxes determines whether it was a gift or a tax break.
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Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:50 pm to AggieHank86
quote:I couldn't care less what anyone wants to believe I support.
Subtle distinction are not effective here.
I'm just trying to explain to people that VbM is not as one-sided as it's made out to be. As easy as it is to say VbM = fraud, it's just as easy to stack anti-VbM next to anti-busing views and ID requirements and registration deadlines and voter purges and notice a clear pattern.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:50 pm to Korkstand
quote:Mail in voting is ridiculously prone to fraud. The goal is winning "by any means necessary", so much so that the phase is employed by activists. Given a system nearly inviting fraud, both sides will rightly suspect the other of it. Playing to those suspicions, and to prevent the other from attaining an advantage, both sides will condone their own fraud.
So because it has happened as a result means that was the goal?
So yes, it's the goal.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:52 pm to Korkstand
quote:
I'm just trying to explain to people that VbM is not as one-sided as it's made out to be. As easy as it is to say VbM = fraud, it's just as easy to stack anti-VbM next to anti-busing views and ID requirements and registration deadlines and voter purges and notice a clear pattern.
God forbid we remove dead people and people that moved away from voter rolls.This post was edited on 4/23/20 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:57 pm to Korkstand
quote:It is far more obvious than you think.
I couldn't care less what anyone wants to believe I support.
quote:WashPo - Driver arrested for plowing into a tent of Trump supporters registering voters, police say
every single thing the GOP does regarding voting has the effect that only fewer people can vote
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:57 pm to Korkstand
quote:
but every single thing the GOP does regarding voting has the effect that only fewer people can vote.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:59 pm to roadGator
quote:That would seem pretty blatant. Handing out cards away from the polls is fine, passing out water on a bus ride to the polls I would say is fine, but slapping a vote card on a bottle of water probably crosses the line.
I should have said a branded water bottle like a trade show giveaway.
quote:So you don't have a problem with busing specifically?
Yes. I believe for a certain segment of the population a water bottle, a snack and a dem sponsored ride to the polls is enough to buy a vote.
quote:A promise to cut taxes usually goes hand in hand with an unspoken promise to cut programs. Pretty disingenuous to suggest it's even remotely helpful across the board.
A promise to decrease taxes is a promise to many and helps many.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:00 pm to Korkstand
quote:Maybe.
A promise to cut taxes usually goes hand in hand with an unspoken promise to cut programs.
quote:
Pretty disingenuous to suggest it's even remotely helpful across the board.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:00 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Does the amount you paid in taxes determine whether your check was a gift or an effective tax break?
You mean do I call it a gift or does the tax code call it a gift?
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:06 pm to Jbird
quote:It's about as nefarious as disallowing vote by mail. Very easy to "whoopsie" and purge legit voters.
Yes voter roll cleanup is nefarious.
quote:I'm telling you that was a wake-up call. Dems thought it was in the bag, no reason to really mobilize, and still won the popular vote by a couple million.
Yup never stood a chance the first time either.
You can live in denial if you like, but Trump has boosted the number of dem voters by quite a bit.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:08 pm to Korkstand
quote:Sure just like VbM is fraught with potential illegal activities.
Very easy to "whoopsie" and purge legit voters.
quote:And he has awaken the R Party, you think people are going to set this one out?
I'm telling you that was a wake-up call. Dems thought it was in the bag, no reason to really mobilize, and still won the popular vote by a couple million.
You can live in denial if you like, but Trump has boosted the number of dem voters by quite a bit.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:08 pm to Jbird
quote:It was asked because you differentiated between a bottle of water and tax relief by arguing that one is a gift and the other is allowing you to keep more of what was yours.
Not sure why that question was asked in this thread then, well considering some get EITC I guess you could again call that a gift.
I'm just trying to get a better of idea of your exact logic, that's all.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:09 pm to Jbird
quote:So simple to assume that your "team" plays fair at all times, isn't it?
God forbid we remove dead people and people that moved away from voter rolls.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:09 pm to Korkstand
quote:I see, so Obama promising healthcare for all was a pay off?
It was asked because you differentiated between a bottle of water and tax relief by arguing that one is a gift and the other is allowing you to keep more of what was yours.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:10 pm to Korkstand
quote:Did I make that claim?
So simple to assume that your "team" plays fair at all times, isn't it?
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:12 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Less obvious than you think. I do believe we should want (and get) more people to vote, but I don't think VbM is the way to do it. Pretty clear it's easy to game. I also think voter identification is important. I am 100% anti-fraud.
It is far more obvious than you think.
I don't know the best solution.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:12 pm to jchamil
quote:I mean do you call it a gift to those who paid no taxes, and a tax break to those who did?
You mean do I call it a gift or does the tax code call it a gift?
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:13 pm to Korkstand
quote:
I do believe we should want (and get) more people to vote, but I don't think VbM is the way to do it. Pretty clear it's easy to game. I also think voter identification is important. I am 100% anti-fraud.
I don't know the best solution.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:13 pm to Korkstand
Didn’t suggest that a tax cut would be helpful across the board but not taking people’s money is usually a good thing. But I suppose that it could be argued that it is. Less government is always good when you look at our current welfare society.
A tax cut helps many. Am I wrong?
A tax cut helps many. Am I wrong?
This post was edited on 4/23/20 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:14 pm to Korkstand
quote:ORLY?
Very easy to "whoopsie" and purge legit voters.
Easier than it is to show up in a same day registration, claim eligibility, and vote?
Easier than it is to identify folks who remain registered despite having moved or died, and harvest their eligibility?
Because your case is conducted in the light of day, with opposition party observation and oversight. My latter cases are not.
This post was edited on 4/23/20 at 4:15 pm
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