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re: Seems one party roundly supports mail in voting and one party opposes
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:15 pm to Jbird
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:15 pm to Jbird
quote:Nope, quite the opposite. I'm claiming that neither tax breaks, nor healthcare, nor a bottle of water on the bus are payoffs.
I see, so Obama promising healthcare for all was a pay off?
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Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:17 pm to Jbird
quote:That's kind of what this whole thread is about, isn't it?quote:Did I make that claim?
So simple to assume that your "team" plays fair at all times, isn't it?
You laughed at the suggestion that a purge of voter rolls could have nefarious intent.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:17 pm to Korkstand
quote:okay, how about paying ministers to push your candidates?
Nope, quite the opposite. I'm claiming that neither tax breaks, nor healthcare, nor a bottle of water on the bus are payoffs.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:19 pm to Korkstand
quote:Perhaps the best solution is to start with honesty.
I don't know the best solution.
In light of a leftist plowing into a tent of Trump supporters who were registering voters, would you like to reconsider the idiotic assertion that "every single thing the GOP does regarding voting has the effect that only fewer people can vote."
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:20 pm to Jbird
quote:I agree. I lean toward do not support.
Sure just like VbM is fraught with potential illegal activities.
quote:I think that happened 4 years ago. You think there was much room for improvement?
And he has awaken the R Party, you think people are going to set this one out?
No sense arguing over it, we'll just see in November.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:22 pm to Korkstand
quote:I do.
I think that happened 4 years ago. You think there was much room for improvement?
quote:Indeed we will.
No sense arguing over it, we'll just see in November.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:22 pm to Jbird
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:23 pm to Y.A. Tittle
This is a great OP. Doesn’t this scenario eliminate the “it’s racist” option for Democrats in the argument?
Or does the racist Coronavirus deaths meme put it back in play?
Seems to me Republicans need to use data to challenge the aforementioned meme.
Or does the racist Coronavirus deaths meme put it back in play?
Seems to me Republicans need to use data to challenge the aforementioned meme.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:25 pm to roadGator
quote:To an extent, obviously yes. But it should be equally clear that if taxation is too low, some necessary services and programs break down, and more are hurt than helped.
A tax cut helps many. Am I wrong?
The question is always what is the optimal level and distribution of taxation, and that is a very difficult question to answer. And the "right" answer changes constantly with the political and economic climate.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:27 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Now we have to argue which method(s) of election manipulation are easier?
ORLY?
Easier than it is to show up in a same day registration, claim eligibility, and vote?
Easier than it is to identify folks who remain registered despite having moved or died, and harvest their eligibility?
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:32 pm to Jbird
quote:We're getting into muddy waters here, aren't we?
okay, how about paying ministers to push your candidates?
Many pastors push R candidates, paid (tithes?) or not.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:33 pm to Korkstand
quote:That's a little more in the Dem Party, GOTV in black communities.
Many pastors push R candidates, paid (tithes?) or not.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:34 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Always a strong start.
Perhaps the best solution is to start with honesty.
quote:I was clearly referring to policy. Obviously the GOP will do what they can to get R's registered.
In light of a leftist plowing into a tent of Trump supporters who were registering voters, would you like to reconsider the idiotic assertion that "every single thing the GOP does regarding voting has the effect that only fewer people can vote."
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:35 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Many pastors push R candidates, paid (tithes?) or not.
Not really. And not nearly as many as push the D candidate. Go into just about any black church on a Sunday around election time. You'll leave knowing exactly who to vote for in every race.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:36 pm to Jbird
quote:What do you suggest? Government should start cracking down on churches? Investigations? That sounds like a bad idea.
That's a little more in the Dem Party, GOTV in black communities.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:37 pm to Korkstand
quote:That whole separation of church and state things with tax free is a little sticky.
What do you suggest? Government should start cracking down on churches? Investigations? That sounds like a bad idea.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:46 pm to CelticDog
quote:
everyone votes dems win.
i'll be honest as a conservative and say that this is a true statement.
i think that even if we outlawed VbM (outside of military) and had compulsory voting on election day democrats would take the majority in most elections.
however, conservatives as a whole are more invested in the outcomes of elections due to more skin in the game, so show up more often than a middle of the road voter to sway most turn outs. not that i disagree with liberals ( not BS progressives) really often, but a classical liberal position doesn't exactly incline itself to more involvement in the electoral process.
i.e. a conservative actively doesn't want the government effing with their life so will go out and vote to ensure that, while a liberal has more of a "go with the flow" lackadaisical attitude that may or may not ensure voting for more government involvement. i.e. Bernie has a shite ton of people promoting him, but not the same amount of people coming to vote for him.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:49 pm to SSpaniel
quote:Well, I've only sat through sermons from about 5 pastors in my entire life, and every one of them at one time or another "suggested" who we should vote for.
Not really.
quote:You're probably right. Jesus was probably a D, though.
And not nearly as many as push the D candidate. Go into just about any black church on a Sunday around election time. You'll leave knowing exactly who to vote for in every race.
I don't even understand the point of this sidetrack, though.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 5:02 pm to Korkstand
quote:
TDS. Seriously. Trump is probably the worst thing that could have happened to the republican party. He has motivated a lot of people to get more involved in politics.
Obama is the reason for Trump.
Obama flat out sucked.
Why can't dumb Liberals understand that ?
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