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re: SCOTUS Opinion Day - June 30
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:01 am to TurkeyBaconLeg
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:01 am to TurkeyBaconLeg
During COVID, you could not enter the country without showing a negative COVID test within 3 days prior to entering the country.
Trump can make a new executive order right now requiring a negative pregnancy test of all female non-citizens prior to entering the country.
Trump can make a new executive order right now requiring a negative pregnancy test of all female non-citizens prior to entering the country.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:01 am to Taxing Authority
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This wold mean US law would no apply to non-immigrants. They would be ABOVE the law. Could not be charged with crimes. How would we deport them? Under what jurisdiction?
I have argued relentlessly on the side of the majority today, don't ask me how it would work because it wouldn't and is a retarded position to hold.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:01 am to rt3
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Give an incredibly in-depth explanation of this ruling in high detail. Use technical language at the college graduate level. Specifically discuss the majority opinion, which judge ruled, and the main legal arguments considered and relied upon for the ruling. Do the same with each dissent and/or concurrence. You can use specific quotes. Please also give page references for specific points and quotes.
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This provides a comprehensive, graduate-level legal analysis of the Supreme Court’s ruling in *Trump v. Barbara*, No. 25-365, decided on June 30, 2026.
## Case Overview: Trump v. Barbara (2026)
At issue was the constitutionality of Executive Order No. 14160, which sought to deny birthright citizenship to children born in the United States to parents who are unlawfully or temporarily present. The Supreme Court affirmed the District Court's preliminary injunction against the order. The Court held that under the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, children born on United States soil to such parents are "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States and are thus guaranteed citizenship at birth.
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### Judicial Lineup and Stances
| Opinion Type | Authoring Justice | Joining Justices | Core Stance |
| --- | --- | --- | --- |
| **Majority** | Chief Justice Roberts | Sotomayor, Kagan, Barrett, Jackson | Executive Order No. 14160 is unconstitutional; the 14th Amendment guarantees *jus soli* citizenship to children of unauthorized or temporary migrants.
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| **Concurrence** | Justice Jackson | Sotomayor (in part) | The 14th Amendment represents a universalist, anti-caste reset that fundamentally precludes denying citizenship based on parental status.
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| **Concurrence / Dissent** | Justice Kavanaugh | None | The Executive Order violates statutory law (8 U.S.C. §1401(a)), but the Constitution *would* permit Congress to pass such exceptions.
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| **Dissent** | Justice Thomas | Gorsuch | The 14th Amendment requires a person to be born to parents *domiciled* in the United States to claim birthright citizenship.
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| **Dissent** | Justice Alito | None | The 14th Amendment requires exclusive allegiance; children born to foreign nationals retain foreign duties and are thus not subject to exclusive US jurisdiction.
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## The Majority Opinion
**Author:** Chief Justice Roberts.
**Joined by:** Justices Sotomayor, Kagan, Barrett, and Jackson.
The majority opinion establishes that the Executive Order violates the Fourteenth Amendment by attempting to alter the constitutional guarantee of birthright citizenship.
**Main Legal Arguments and Findings:**
* **Incorporation of Common Law (*Jus Soli*):** The majority rooted its analysis in the English common law concept of *jus soli* (right of the soil). Under this historical doctrine, children born within the sovereign's dominion owed natural allegiance to the sovereign, regardless of the parents' temporary status.
* **Repudiation of *Dred Scott*:** The Court emphasized that the Fourteenth Amendment and the preceding Civil Rights Act of 1866 were drafted expressly to overrule *Dred Scott v. Sandford* (1857), which had wrongfully established a blood- and race-based criterion for citizenship.
* **Interpretation of "Jurisdiction":** The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" in the Citizenship Clause is interpreted in its ordinary, territorial sense. Relying on *Schooner Exchange v. McFaddon* (1812), the Court determined that jurisdiction refers to the "full and complete power of a nation within its own territories" (Opinion of the Court, p. 11).
* **Reaffirmance of *Wong Kim Ark*:** The majority heavily relied on *United States v. Wong Kim Ark* (1898), observing that the precedent established a closed set of exceptions to birthright citizenship (such as children of foreign diplomats or hostile occupying armies). The Court noted that temporary visitors and unauthorized immigrants do not fall into these narrow exceptions.
* **Rejection of the Domicile Argument:** The government argued that citizenship requires "primary allegiance" inherently tied to a permanent domicile. The majority rejected this as a "dramatically revisionist view," asserting that domicile and national citizenship are distinct legal concepts (Opinion of the Court, p. 18).
> **Key Quote:** "Children born in the United States to parents unlawfully or temporarily present here are thus subject to the Nation's jurisdiction. ... Under the Constitution, they are citizens at birth." (Opinion of the Court, p.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:01 am to rt3
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## Concurring Opinion
**Author:** Justice Jackson.
**Joined by:** Justice Sotomayor (Introduction and Part I).
Justice Jackson wrote separately to counter the historical narrative presented in Justice Thomas's dissent.
**Main Legal Arguments and Findings:**
* **Anti-Caste Framework:** Justice Jackson argued that the Fourteenth Amendment was an "anticaste, antisubordination reset for the Nation," rather than merely a narrow remedy exclusively for freed slaves.
* **Universalist Vision:** Tracing the activism of Black Americans at Colored Conventions and the rhetoric of Frederick Douglass, she demonstrated that the push for birthright citizenship was rooted in universal human rights, actively rejecting the concept of a citizenship restricted by bloodline or unique parental status.
* **Rejection of Spot-Treatment:** She criticized the dissent for treating the Fourteenth Amendment as a narrow "spot treatment," warning that such a perspective ignores the intent of the framers who deliberately broadened the text to cover groups like Chinese and Romani immigrants (Jackson, J., concurring, pp. 2, 11-14).
> **Key Quote:** "The Fourteenth Amendment's universalist aims should forever be the death knell for this kind of claim—one that seeks to make bloodline the marker of birthright." (Jackson, J., concurring, p. 20).
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## Concurrence in Judgment and Dissent in Part
**Author:** Justice Kavanaugh.
Justice Kavanaugh provided the deciding vote against the Executive Order but diverged sharply from the majority's constitutional rationale.
**Main Legal Arguments and Findings:**
* **Statutory Violation (Concurrence):** He argued the case should have been decided on statutory grounds alone. Because 8 U.S.C. §1401(a) mirrors the 14th Amendment's text, it incorporates the fixed exceptions recognized in *Wong Kim Ark*. Therefore, the Executive Order is an unlawful overreach by the President that bypasses Congress.
* **Constitutional Flexibility (Dissent):** He dissented from the constitutional holding, arguing that the exceptions in *Wong Kim Ark* should not be viewed as a "permanently frozen or closed set" (Opinion of Kavanaugh, J., p. 5).
* **Application to New Circumstances:** Noting that mass illegal immigration is a modern phenomenon unknown to the drafters of 1868, Kavanaugh posited that Congress *could* constitutionally legislate new exceptions to birthright citizenship for unauthorized or temporary immigrants, akin to historical exceptions for foreign sovereigns (Opinion of Kavanaugh, J., pp. 6-8).
> **Key Quote:** "Consistent with the Fourteenth Amendment, Congress could amend §1401(a) or otherwise enact new legislation establishing exceptions to birthright citizenship... But Congress has not yet done so." (Opinion of Kavanaugh, J., p. 10).
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## Dissenting Opinions
### The Thomas Dissent
**Author:** Justice Thomas.
**Joined by:** Justice Gorsuch.
Justice Thomas delivered a rigorous originalist dissent centered on the historical concept of "domicile."
**Main Legal Arguments and Findings:**
* **The Domicile Requirement:** He argued that at common law and during Reconstruction, a person was only "subject to the jurisdiction" of a government if they maintained their legal domicile there.
* **Meaning of the Civil Rights Act:** Tracing the legislative history of the 1866 Civil Rights Act, Thomas argued that the phrase "not subject to any foreign power" was explicitly designed to exclude temporary visitors and foreigners whose primary allegiance remained tied to their home country.
* **Reinterpretation of Precedent:** Thomas argued that *Wong Kim Ark* was strictly limited to its facts—namely, children of parents who possessed a "permanent domicil and residence in the United States" (Thomas, J., dissenting, p. 44).
* **Impact on the Executive Order:** Because unauthorized immigrants and temporary visitors are legally domiciled in foreign nations, their children remain subject to foreign powers and are not constitutionally entitled to American citizenship.
> **Key Quote:** "The Citizenship Order is therefore, insofar as it applies to persons not domiciled here, consistent with the Citizenship Clause." (Thomas, J., dissenting, p. 57).
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### The Alito Dissent
**Author:** Justice Alito.
Justice Alito also dissented, focusing on the incompatibility of the British common law framework with American constitutional principles.
**Main Legal Arguments and Findings:**
* **Rejection of Feudal *Jus Soli*:** Alito argued that the British doctrine of birthright subjecthood was a feudal concept based on perpetual servitude to a monarch, a framework the Declaration of Independence fundamentally destroyed.
* **Exclusive Jurisdiction:** Analyzing the Fourteenth Amendment alongside the 1866 Civil Rights Act, Alito determined that "subject to the jurisdiction" requires a person to be completely free of obligations to any foreign power.
* **Foreign Obligations of Unauthorized Migrants:** He highlighted that foreign nations (such as Mexico and Guatemala) automatically confer nationality and corresponding civic duties (like military service) on children born abroad to their citizens (Alito, J., dissenting, p. 37). Consequently, these children are "subject to a foreign power" and lack the exclusive allegiance required by the Fourteenth Amendment.
* **Role of Congress:** Alito concluded that while the Constitution does not mandate birthright citizenship for these children, Congress retains the legislative authority to confer citizenship upon them if it chooses (Alito, J., dissenting, p. 2).
> **Key Quote:** "The Fourteenth Amendment confers citizenship on only those children who, at birth, owe allegiance solely to this country." (Alito, J., dissenting, p. 1).
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:01 am to imjustafatkid
quote:Of course it would. You can't cherry-pick what jurisdiction applies based on the issue. And if you *could*, why wouldn't a democrat president issue an EO saying jursdiction doesn't apply to all immigration law?
No, it would not.
You don't want the solution you want.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:02 am to rt3
What this opinion and the 2003 Michigan Affirmative Action opinion illustrates is that Republicans can never ever f*cking again nominate a stupid f*cking c*nt to the Supreme Court.
In the most important opinions, they’re f*cking traitors and allow their feelings and emotions to dictate their bad judgment.
In the most important opinions, they’re f*cking traitors and allow their feelings and emotions to dictate their bad judgment.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:03 am to imjustafatkid
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Jurisdiction and allegiance are not the same.
Then the drafters of the 14th should have used allegiance instead of jurisdiction shouldn't they?
"Militia" and "citizen" are not the same so the 2nd doesn't allow you to own guns. See how that stupid logic works?
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:04 am to Taxing Authority
This makes me feel like there's wiggle room
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the disagreement among the justices appears to centre around the notion of domicile; on one hand, the majority upholds the common law rule of jus soli, whereby a person born on King's soil is entitled to protection by and allengiance to the King; the minority - especially Thomas and Gorsuch - say the 14th Amendmt clause requires that the child parents at least make the US their permanent domicile for the child to be a US-born citizen. Interestingly, Gorsuch say the EO would have not survived other narrower challenges. Major ruling, lots of studying lie ahead
This post was edited on 6/30/26 at 10:06 am
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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### Judicial Lineup and Stances
| Opinion Type | Authoring Justice | Joining Justices | Core Stance |
| --- | --- | --- | --- |
Chicken needs to add markdown editing.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:05 am to MMauler
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In the most important opinions, they’re f*cking traitors and allow their feelings and emotions to dictate their bad judgment.
He says in irony, displaying a fully emotional argument
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:05 am to rt3
It’s honestly hard to imagine having a 6-3 majority on the court and republicans getting their arse kicked there so often.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:05 am to TurkeyBaconLeg
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During COVID, you could not enter the country without showing a negative COVID test within 3 days prior to entering the country.
Trump can make a new executive order right now requiring a negative pregnancy test of all female non-citizens prior to entering the country.
That would probably get struck down, the way the Covid restrictions stood was because they were under Title 42 for a public health issue. That wouldn't work for pregnancy.
Now an internal memo to CBP to deny entry to pregnant women on non-immigrant visas would probably work. They have very broad discretion and no judicial review.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:06 am to rt3
quote:Indeed. If people here illegally are not domiciled, how can they be deported? From where? They aren't here.
the disagreement among the justices appears to centre around the notion of domicile; on one hand, the majority upholds the common law rule of jus soli, whereby a person born on King's soil is entitled to protection by and allengiance to the King; the minority - especially Thomas and Gorsuch - say the 14th Amendmt clause requires that the child parents at least make the US their permanent domicile for the child to be a US-born citizen. Interestingly, Gorsuch say the EO would have not survived other narrower challenges. Major ruling, lots of studying lie ahead
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
You about to chew through some bandwidth, baw
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:07 am to Taxing Authority
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Indeed. If people here illegally are not domiciled, how can they be deported? From where? They aren't here.
Thomas triying to completely rewrite what "domicile" means is so on brand for this version of him.
Alito just set the world on fire, apparently, while Jackson offered nothing of substance, as usual.
This post was edited on 6/30/26 at 10:08 am
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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* **Constitutional Flexibility (Dissent):** He dissented from the constitutional holding, arguing that the exceptions in *Wong Kim Ark* should not be viewed as a "permanently frozen or closed set" (Opinion of Kavanaugh, J., p. 5).
* **Application to New Circumstances:** Noting that mass illegal immigration is a modern phenomenon unknown to the drafters of 1868, Kavanaugh posited that Congress *could* constitutionally legislate new exceptions to birthright citizenship for unauthorized or temporary immigrants, akin to historical exceptions for foreign sovereigns (Opinion of Kavanaugh, J., pp. 6-8).
So did Kavanaugh open the door for Congress to act? I know they don't want to but the water is at a boil with overwhelming support for ending this shite. The SAVE Act is a separate issue but related in that Senate leadership is standing in front of a public opinion freight train while making jazz hands.
This post was edited on 6/30/26 at 10:10 am
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:08 am to shinerfan
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So did Kavanaugh open the door for Congress to act? I know they don't want to but the water is at a boil with overwhelming support for ending this shite.
They could always have acted. he's just reminding them.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:09 am to Ingeniero
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You about to chew through some bandwidth, baw
I really hoped this dropped later in the week.
I have to go work, but enjoy the avatar change.
I can't wait until the next NPC does the "SFP is always wrong" meme
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:10 am to shinerfan
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So did Kavanaugh open the door for Congress to act?
He doesn't have the votes
Kavanaugh has always been a big-government shill, so it's not shocking he's going with a "living document' analysis to expand government power.
His specific argument, however, is just that the EO violated Congressional law and he left it there. The rest was just his big-government pornography addiction.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:11 am to Taxing Authority
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Indeed. If people here illegally are not domiciled, how can they be deported? From where? They aren't here.
I am not sure what the dissent is saying because I have not read it. But imo the best way to have gotten any part of the EO upheld is to argue that illegals are domiciled in the U.S., and are permanently so (if that matters). People here on temporary visas are not domiciled and thus any child born to them are not citizens.
This could fit within the framework of Wong Kim Ark. But the majority apparently gives an even more expansive view of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" than is explicitly stated in Wong Kim Ark's holding.
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