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re: SCOTUS Opinion Day - June 29

Posted on 6/29/26 at 12:13 pm to
Posted by ksayetiger
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Posted on 6/29/26 at 12:13 pm to
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A postmark machine (premetered mail) does not get around the official postmark given to all mail once it hits the regional hub.


True.

But there are whistleblowres from 2020 that were ordered to back date ballots.
Posted by MMauler
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Posted on 6/29/26 at 12:19 pm to
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That is the only interpretation. We're limiting the use of an available tool because the tool might include other people.


I haven’t read the decision so I may be way off. However, just looking at the comments, my first thought went to the January 6th defendants. Isn’t this exactly how the Biden administration went and rounded up anyone who was even around the Capitol that day, whether or not they even entered the building?

If so, this ruling might not be as bad as some may think. Further, I think there’s a clear distinction between just looking for everyone who’s in a particular area as opposed to looking at business, bank, and personal ring cameras to look for one individual rather than getting a list of suspects from geofencing.
Posted by MMauler
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Posted on 6/29/26 at 12:27 pm to
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You can buy a postmark machine and fake it.


I don’t think that’s the problem vis-à-vis election integrity. To me, the big problem has to do with the fact that the Democrats essentially run the post office. This was one of the concerns in the 2020 election, I.e., weather the local postal employees were colluding with the Democrat party to “back“ postmark ballots to make them valid. I remember videos of Republican operators following around mail trucks showing how corrupt postal workers were "back dating" fraudulent ballots after the election.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/29/26 at 12:27 pm to
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We're limiting the use of an available tool because the tool might include other people. There is no tool that might not include other people.


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"The Agema Thermovision 210 might disclose, for example, at what hour each night the lady of the house takes her daily sauna and bath—a detail that many would consider 'intimate'."
Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 6/29/26 at 12:31 pm to
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It is not the same.


Yes. It is.

Alito outlines it perfectly in his dissent:

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The geofence procedure in this case did not violate Chatrie’s Fourth Amendment rights under these 20th-century precedents. These precedents hold that a defendant does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in records that a company generates by virtue of the defendant’s use of its services. This rule has come to be known as the third-party doctrine. The Court articulated this rule in United States v. Miller, 425 U. S. 435 (1976), holding that the police did not violate a defendant’s Fourth Amendment rights when they obtained transaction records from his bank. In reaching this conclusion, Miller emphasized that a bank is not merely a neutral custodian of its customers’ financial information, but rather a party to an ongoing business relationship with them. Id., at 440–441. Thus, when the defendant “voluntarily conveyed” his financial information to a bank by depositing money or cashing checks, he assumed the risk that the bank would create a paper trail of that information for its own business purposes. Id., at 442. The defendant likewise assumed the risk that the bank might share that information with others, including the police. Ibid. The Court therefore held that the defendant had no Fourth Amendment rights in the bank’s records of his transactions. What was true about the bank records in Miller is true about Location History here. Chatrie voluntarily conveyed his location information to Google, and Google created a digital paper trail of that information. Like the bank in Miller, Google was no neutral custodian in this arrangement. Id., at 440. In exchange for allowing Chatrie to use its Location History service, Google could use his location information for its own business purposes, such as sending Chatrie location-targeted advertisements from third parties. 590 F. Supp. 3d, at 907–908. So, by giving Google his location information for its own use, Chatrie assumed the risk that Google might disclose location information to others, including the police. Miller, 425 U. S., at 443. Indeed, Google advises its users that the company could use their location information for its own advertising purposes and could share that information with law enforcement. E.g., 1 App. 69–70. Thus, like the defendant in Miller, Chatrie cannot now claim a reasonable expectation of privacy in those data. The police therefore would not need a warrant to perform the geofence procedure under our 20th-century precedents.
This post was edited on 6/29/26 at 12:32 pm
Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 6/29/26 at 12:38 pm to
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I haven’t read the decision so I may be way off. However, just looking at the comments, my first thought went to the January 6th defendants. Isn’t this exactly how the Biden administration went and rounded up anyone who was even around the Capitol that day, whether or not they even entered the building?


Not really. They used publicly-available livestream video and camera video from around the capitol building. In that instance, most of the information used to investigate individuals was available to everyone.
This post was edited on 6/29/26 at 12:39 pm
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Posted on 6/29/26 at 12:41 pm to
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Not really. They used publicly-available livestream video and camera video from around the capitol building. In that instance, most of the information used to investigate individuals was available to everyone.


So you are saying they carefully vetted the tape and did not arrest anyone who was escorted into the capitol by the police?

bullshite
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
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Posted on 6/29/26 at 12:43 pm to
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So you are saying they carefully vetted the tape and did not arrest anyone who was escorted into the capitol by the police?

bullshite


No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying they didn't need warrants to obtain the video they used.

They definitely shouldn't have charged nearly anyone with a crime.
This post was edited on 6/29/26 at 12:43 pm
Posted by Placekicker
Florida
Member since Jan 2016
14225 posts
Posted on 6/29/26 at 12:58 pm to
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Absentee ballots need to be postmarked by election day but can be received up to 5 days post-election day


Because of this ruling, get ready for vote this- in a country of 330 million people, vote tallies of 500 million to 476 million. They’ll just keep piling on ballots until the end.
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 6/29/26 at 1:03 pm to
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imjustafatkid


Did you read the majority opinion? They pretty clearly articulate why this case is different than Carpenter and, if anything, an even more private intrusion than cell tower data.
Posted by MMauler
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 6/29/26 at 1:31 pm to
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Not really. They used publicly-available livestream video and camera video from around the capitol building. In that instance, most of the information used to investigate individuals was available to everyone.




Posted by onmymedicalgrind
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Posted on 6/29/26 at 1:36 pm to
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You support vaccine mandates from the government. You think a person should not have the right to choose to not be injected with drugs by the government.

Oh I said those things on here? Either you have a link or dementia.
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Posted on 6/29/26 at 2:12 pm to
So the FBI did not know what they were doing when they were there nor who guided them there.
Posted by Ailsa
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Posted on 6/29/26 at 2:37 pm to
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Lol, we lose on mail-in ballots


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Tomorrow, they probably catch a throat-punch via the ending of birthright citizenship
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Posted on 6/29/26 at 2:40 pm to
So the thousands upon thousands of Chinese whose mothers came over specifically for birthright citizenship and who turned around and immediately were carried back to China are "citizens" just like any of us?

Well that is just perfect!
Posted by AllbyMyRelf
Virginia
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 6/29/26 at 2:41 pm to
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Tomorrow, they probably catch a throat-punch via the ending of birthright citizenship
I don’t think you all should expect birthright citizenship to be ended. I think you’re setting yourselves up for disappointment. I think it’ll be 9-0 or 7-2 upholding BRC.
Posted by Linoge
Member since Jun 2013
1977 posts
Posted on 6/29/26 at 2:42 pm to
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Barrett
Trumps worst mistake


Never, ever put a woman in power. They also go to the left. Always.
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
10027 posts
Posted on 6/29/26 at 2:53 pm to
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So the thousands upon thousands of Chinese whose mothers came over specifically for birthright citizenship and who turned around and immediately were carried back to China are "citizens" just like any of us?


Take a breath and read it again...the win today was mail in ballots and hopefully tomorrow the BRC will be nuked. Trump can always change the mail in situation as was said in the post.
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 6/29/26 at 3:13 pm to
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A postmark machine (premetered mail) does not get around the official postmark given to all mail once it hits the regional hub.


Do you think they will differentiate between the official postmark vs a fake one?

Good one.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
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Member since Dec 2016
38589 posts
Posted on 6/29/26 at 4:43 pm to
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I don’t think you all should expect birthright citizenship to be ended. I think you’re setting yourselves up for disappointment. I think it’ll be 9-0 or 7-2 upholding BRC.

And it will be the correct ruling.

A path was laid out in the Constitution to address things like birthright citizenship and further amending/clarifying more vague things such as verbiage in the Fourteenth Amendment. And, most unfortunate, that path goes through Congress.

So to change things, we have to fully rely on Congress, the group has has been the most hilarious unreliable amalgamation of worthless troglodytes in world government history, to actually do something about it. The same Congress whose Senate just went on pro tempore leave to keep Trump from executing recess appointments for positions they still won't confirm from 18 months ago, and the same Congress that is pushing hard to extend the unconstitutional FISA spying program while refusing to address the 80/20 election-integrity-centric SAVE Act. The same Congress that is willing to throw $300B at Ukraine and another $300B at Iran but fight tooth-and-nail to prevent Trump's administration from receiving $2.5B to finish the Southern border wall.

It's pretty much over, but not because of the SCOTUS. It's over because Congress has sold us down the river.
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