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Scientists continue to debunk theory of evolution

Posted on 11/23/22 at 9:47 am
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 11/23/22 at 9:47 am
Reminder: Simulation theory debunks evolution theory and the Big Bang theory.



Expert Proposes a Method For Telling if We All Live in a Computer Program (ScienceAlert)

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Physicists have long struggled to explain why the Universe started out with conditions suitable for life to evolve. Why do the physical laws and constants take the very specific values that allow stars, planets, and ultimately life to develop?

The expansive force of the Universe, dark energy, for example, is much weaker than theory suggests it should be – allowing matter to clump together rather than being ripped apart.

A common answer is that we live in an infinite multiverse of Universes, so we shouldn't be surprised that at least one Universe has turned out as ours. But another is that our Universe is a computer simulation, with someone (perhaps an advanced alien species) fine-tuning the conditions.

The latter option is supported by a branch of science called information physics, which suggests that space-time and matter are not fundamental phenomena. Instead, the physical reality is fundamentally made up of bits of information, from which our experience of space-time emerges.

By comparison, temperature "emerges" from the collective movement of atoms. No single atom fundamentally has temperature.

This leads to the extraordinary possibility that our entire Universe might in fact be a computer simulation.

The idea is not that new. In 1989, the legendary physicist, John Archibald Wheeler, suggested that the Universe is fundamentally mathematical and it can be seen as emerging from information. He coined the famous aphorism "it from bit".

In 2003, philosopher Nick Bostrom from Oxford University in the UK formulated his simulation hypothesis. This argues that it is actually highly probable that we live in a simulation.

That's because an advanced civilization should reach a point where their technology is so sophisticated that simulations would be indistinguishable from reality, and the participants would not be aware that they were in a simulation.

Physicist Seth Lloyd from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in the US took the simulation hypothesis to the next level by suggesting that the entire Universe could be a giant quantum computer.

Empirical evidence
There is some evidence suggesting that our physical reality could be a simulated virtual reality rather than an objective world that exists independently of the observer.



Posted by beerJeep
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Posted on 11/23/22 at 9:48 am to
Team ancestor simulation
Posted by AggieHank86
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Posted on 11/23/22 at 9:51 am to
People seem to struggle with the meaning of the word “debunk,” which means to prove something false.

You have cited an interesting alternate theory. It does not “debunk” anything.
This post was edited on 11/23/22 at 9:53 am
Posted by Jack Carter
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Posted on 11/23/22 at 9:52 am to
One idea is that we live in a “reverse black hole” (or at the other end of a black hole) where information is projected onto space time from an event horizon, which would be the expanding edge of the universe.
This post was edited on 11/23/22 at 9:53 am
Posted by Ping Pong
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Posted on 11/23/22 at 9:56 am to
This doesn't have much to do with the Theory of Evolution. Instead it questions our current understanding of how the universe formed (i.e. The Big Bang Theory)
Posted by Open Your Eyes
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Posted on 11/23/22 at 9:56 am to
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People seem to struggle with the meaning of the word “debunk,” which means to prove something false.

Example:

The Alex Stein thread the other day debunked the notion that you don’t support the sexualization of children.
Posted by Jyrdis
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Posted on 11/23/22 at 9:58 am to
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But another is that our Universe is a computer simulation, with someone (perhaps an advanced alien species) fine-tuning the conditions.


Remember the Nines!
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 11/23/22 at 9:59 am to
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This doesn't have much to do with the Theory of Evolution. Instead it questions our current understanding of how the universe formed (i.e. The Big Bang Theory)


Correct. The terms I use are Creation Theory and Natural Selection. They have nothing to do with each other. I'm totally disinterested in CT and a firm believer in NS.
The reason why there are no black bunny rabbits in the Arctic is because they were easy to spot and got eaten before passing the gene.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 11/23/22 at 9:59 am to
macro evolution aka neo darwinism has never been proven with empirical evidence and there is a reason it is joined at the hip with the big bang. The big bang is debunked via the law of conservation of angular momentum. Then you have laws of thermodynamics/law of biogenesis,paranormal, etc which throw wrenches into atheist beliefs.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 11/23/22 at 9:59 am to
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You have cited an interesting alternate theory. It does not “debunk” anything.



Once you have credible scientists offering a viable alternative to evolution, you already know how this will end.


Like everything else, science very much gravitates to 'the current thing'.
Posted by aubie101
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Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:02 am to
What is this theories pronouns? That is what matters.
Posted by ezride25
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Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:03 am to
I am ever amazed at the hubris of men who would endeavor to dismiss outright the notion of God as creator, but who are willing to accept that “aliens” did it with little protest.
Posted by sumtimeitbeslikedat
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Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:03 am to
Billions and billions of dollars and decades and decades of time just to try to disprove one single word: GOD

And they’ll never, NEVER disprove it… because truth is truth and fact is fact, no matter how much they try to prop up their disillusion with hyperbole and theory.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:05 am to
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Billions and billions of dollars and decades and decades of time just to try to disprove one single word: GOD
nah
Posted by Ping Pong
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Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:06 am to
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Correct. The terms I use are Creation Theory and Natural Selection. They have nothing to do with each other. I'm totally disinterested in CT and a firm believer in NS.
The reason why there are no black bunny rabbits in the Arctic is because they were easy to spot and got eaten before passing the gene.


Yes, apply the concept of natural selection along with the occurrence of mutations over a long period of time and you get the Theory of Evolution.
Posted by aubie101
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Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:07 am to
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am ever amazed at the hubris of men who would endeavor to dismiss outright the notion of God as creator, but who are willing to accept that “aliens” did it with little protest.


Really is hilarious..

Side note, I believe in the Big Bang, many scientists tried to run away from that theory because they feared it proved a creation event. Watching scientists create all these theories ,like the multiverse, and now this is just kicking the can down the road.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:08 am to
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Reminder: Simulation theory debunks evolution theory
Actually, no, it doesn't.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:09 am to
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I am ever amazed at the hubris of men who would endeavor to dismiss outright the notion of God as creator


Atheists hate simulation theory because it points to a creator(s).

Posted by BengalOnTheBay
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:09 am to
If God's consciousness is a "simulation," then this theory holds weight.

I do not think it's sacrilegious or inconsistent with Christian theology to say that the universe is a manifestation of God's ultimate will, which is very similar to saying we live in some kind of a "simulation."

It's a lot easier for me (and apparently 95% of the world's population) to believe the manifestation of our existence comes from a higher power (God) rather than some cosmic or physical "accident."
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:10 am to
Simulation theory is on par with flat earth theory. You would need an advanced supercomputer (beyond our current wildest dreams) larger than the mass of the universe to have enough computing power to simulate all the quantum interactions. Case closed.
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