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re: Say a prayer for the Christians is Syria
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:02 pm to joshnorris14
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:02 pm to joshnorris14
I have to wonder what posseses christians to stay in a place like that, even if it is home.
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:13 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Judaism is uniquely hostile to Christians
I don’t see how they wouldn’t be hostile.
The 2nd temple Jews of the Pharisees considered the Samaritans, who used basically the same Torah and who were circumcised, as corrupt half-breed bastard offsprings of the “true” Israelite religion.
Worse than the Samaritans were the Essenes of Dead Sea scrolls fame. They were kicked out of the temple. They used different scriptures (Enoch, Jubilees, Giants, Noah). This group became the Christians.
The version of the Pharisees’ Judaism that “won” (rabbinic Judaism) after the destruction of the temple considered the new Christian sect worse still. Just as “Jesus” tells the Pharisees that they don’t know the (correct) scriptures, the rabbinic Jews considered the Christians as corruptions of their own faith. The penalty for being uncircumcised was death, and they flaunted their gentile uncircumcised version of Judaism. It was a slap in their face as they saw it.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:17 pm to joshnorris14
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:24 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Did the Christians and Muslims genociding people in the name of their religion promote the well-being and happiness and/or reduce suffering of the people murdered?
Let’s say they didn’t. Would that be wrong? Objectively wrong?
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:28 pm to Squirrelmeister
LINK
To summarize there are six major arguments concerning God’s attitude on slavery
1. The Mosaic Law was temporal
2. The Mosaic Law presses Israel towards freedom for slaves
3. Slaves sold themselves and were more like hired workers
4. The Mosaic Law required good treatment of slaves by Israel
5. God had a plan to abolish slavery
6. God’s plan to abolish slavery worked
LINK
you have zero comprehension of scripture for obvious reasons and who certain scriptures applied to(pagans, jews, gentiles, etc) or who they were addressing at that time. You also do not what is literal and figurative.
this form of slavery was so different that there were even provisions for slaves to stay on for life. There were even provisions for sheltering runaway slaves.
Deuteronomy 23:15-16: “If a slave has taken refuge with you, do not hand them over to their master. Let them live among you wherever they like and in whatever town they choose. Do not oppress them.”
So biblical “slavery” is not what we think. Not only that but Jesus brought a “New Torah” which considers slaves as being equal in the kingdom of God:
Galatians 3:28: “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
Colossians 3:11: “Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.”
1 Corinthians 12:13: “For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.”
Philemon 1:16: “No longer as a slave, but better than a slave, as a dear brother. He is very dear to me but even dearer to you, both as a fellow man and as a brother in the Lord.”
you take a word and run with it without understanding the meaning of it at that time.
you really think the NT scripture stating don't ever call anyone father or teacher applies to how you think it does?
words and context are crucial here. You are just a hack looking to assure your own insecurities and ignorance.
To summarize there are six major arguments concerning God’s attitude on slavery
1. The Mosaic Law was temporal
2. The Mosaic Law presses Israel towards freedom for slaves
3. Slaves sold themselves and were more like hired workers
4. The Mosaic Law required good treatment of slaves by Israel
5. God had a plan to abolish slavery
6. God’s plan to abolish slavery worked
LINK
you have zero comprehension of scripture for obvious reasons and who certain scriptures applied to(pagans, jews, gentiles, etc) or who they were addressing at that time. You also do not what is literal and figurative.
this form of slavery was so different that there were even provisions for slaves to stay on for life. There were even provisions for sheltering runaway slaves.
Deuteronomy 23:15-16: “If a slave has taken refuge with you, do not hand them over to their master. Let them live among you wherever they like and in whatever town they choose. Do not oppress them.”
So biblical “slavery” is not what we think. Not only that but Jesus brought a “New Torah” which considers slaves as being equal in the kingdom of God:
Galatians 3:28: “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
Colossians 3:11: “Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.”
1 Corinthians 12:13: “For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.”
Philemon 1:16: “No longer as a slave, but better than a slave, as a dear brother. He is very dear to me but even dearer to you, both as a fellow man and as a brother in the Lord.”
you take a word and run with it without understanding the meaning of it at that time.
you really think the NT scripture stating don't ever call anyone father or teacher applies to how you think it does?
words and context are crucial here. You are just a hack looking to assure your own insecurities and ignorance.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:36 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Why didn’t your stupid bitch apologist article reference Leviticus 25?
i just addressed it. I already proved you wrong in regards to using the word "slave" in NT scripture and its meaning. OT is jewish not christian. still does not change how word was used then which you fail to comprehend compared to captive slavery in modern times.
regardless
you trying to use one word as a gotcha with zero context is laughable
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:54 pm to joshnorris14
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We are likely to see genocide and persecution like we haven't seen in many years at the hands of Israel and their radically anti-Christian Muslim allies that will be leading the nation following Assad's ouster.
Thank the Americans and Israelis since they paid for and trained the people that kicked out the secular leader that protected Christians.
Irony at its finest, Christians supporting Zionist Jews getting more Christians (Palestinians, Lebanese and Syrians) killed to grow greater Israel all on the US dime.
Please shut up about being Christians and supporting Christianity.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:54 pm to Hogbit
quote:The desire to share the gospel with others, perhaps. Suffering for Christ is what Christians are called to expect. The early Church understood that well and many actually welcomed persecution so that they could have the honor of dying for their Lord.
I have to wonder what posseses christians to stay in a place like that, even if it is home.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:56 pm to Darth_Vader
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Help me understand the motivation for Israel to install yet another radical Muslim regime on their doorstep. I ask because the trend I’ve noticed is that radical Muslims tend to be rather negative towards Israel.
They aren’t. They are pawns used to oust a non-capitulant regime and easier to claim you are bombing to protect Israel.
Y’all can’t be this naïve to what Israel does and how much of a horrible leach they are on the world and especially US.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 10:42 pm to Mike da Tigah
Israel isn’t a democracy. A democracy would formerly annex the West Bank and Gaza and give those people the right to vote. They could still deal with terrorism but their actions would have to be lawful. Give them citizenship or kill the majority of them and give the remaining ones citizenship. That has been the standard for dealing with native populations. Worked in the Americas and Australia.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 10:43 pm to Fat Bastard
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I already proved you wrong in regards to using the word "slave" in NT scripture and its meaning
You didn’t prove shite. I don’t know what you are talking about.
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OT is jewish not christian
Stop.
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still does not change how word was used then which you fail to comprehend compared to captive slavery in modern times.
There were chattel slaves they could own as property forever and there were Jewish slaves treated like hired workers.
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you trying to use one word as a gotcha with zero context is laughable
There is plenty of context when “god” says the Israelites can buy slaves and own them forever and bequeath them to their children. I already quoted the scripture, which your apologist source “forgot” to address.
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 12/15/24 at 6:29 pm to Prodigal Son
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Let’s say they didn’t. Would that be wrong? Objectively wrong?
Hey PS, how are you?
You know my position already that there is no objectivity contained within the Bible, even if Yahweh as described is the contradicting ways in the Bible even existed.
Let me ask you a moral question. Achan the son of Zerah. Why do you think Yahweh was so pissed he didn’t give the treasure he found to the priests? Do you think it was morally justified - objectively or not - to stone and burn to death all of Achan’s sons and daughters for Achan’s crime? Do you think it was morally justified to kill those 32 Israelite soldiers (or let the Ai soldiers kill them) because of Achan’s crime?
“God” repeatedly in the Bible says not to punish sons for the sins of the father. Yet he repeatedly punishes sons for the sins of the father. Should he lead by example? Seems he sends mixed signals.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 8:57 pm to joshnorris14
Posted on 12/15/24 at 10:47 pm to Darth_Vader
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Help me understand the motivation for Israel to install yet another radical Muslim regime on their doorstep. I ask because the trend I’ve noticed is that radical Muslims tend to be rather negative towards Israel.
I know it didn't take you long to type that, but whatever time it did take was completely wasted.
Populism = "Us & Them."
Reason doesn't matter, facts don't matter, nothing matters but Us vs Them.
And probably due to some white supremacist osmosis plus Mr. I-Was-Scratched-By-A-Demon-In-My-Bed Huckster Carlson, roughly half of this board puts Israel in the "Them" column.
Nothing you say will make any difference.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 11:01 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Christianity improved the people we shared it with. It ended slavery and human sacrifice across the globe.
How many people are being sex trafficked in the US right now? Is that not slavery?
Communism still exists, it is the definition of human sacrifice.
WTF??
Posted on 12/15/24 at 11:05 pm to notiger1997
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Maybe I’m just being naive, but if read several things that the main leader of the more powerful rebel group has said he will work to make Syria inclusive for all and is not going to do what you are skyscreaming about.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 11:07 pm to Hogbit
I have had coptic Christians try to sell Egypt to me as a retirement destination and I was like hell naw. Either east/se Asia or Latin America for me.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 11:14 pm to Sweep Da Leg
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How is Christianity evil??? Turn the other cheek, etc led us to allowing millions of low iq 3rd worlders to invade us. All while giving them lots of freebies and money when as a country we’re BROKE. So please elaborate oh wise one.
There’s nothing Christian about the people in charge that allowed this to happen. Zero
They are Communists
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