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Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
Putin fans here are part of the upside down world we live in
Post Truth adherents
Post Truth adherents
Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:45 pm to Powerman
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Be sure to seek medical attention if your erection lasts longer than 4 hours
Sorry Powerfart. Not taking the bait. We need to stop funding this shite. Without western involvement, this shite would have been over months ago with $100BN cash to spend on LGBTQ studies in Pakistan.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Only to idiot Leftists And I'm a big "globalism is a stupid concept that you can't even define" guy, but it's not "the Jews" reincarnate.
There are people that believe Jews run the world.
I guess they technically wouldn’t be Globalists but they could be.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:55 pm to Goonie02
this is true. but when you say neocon, think israel.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:58 pm to Flats
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JFK threatened war when Russia and Cuba did this. It’s generally considered one of his strongest moments.
And?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:SFP, if we get to a point where NATO is conducting wargames on the entirety of Russia's western border and the funding for the exercise is shared by a litany of countries, what is Russia going to have to do? Russia will have to respond as if the threat is real and present. That kind of response is both dangerously revealing of capability and extremely costly. Yet unlike NATO countries, Russia has to cover all its own costs. Meanwhile, core NATO countries are revealing little of their own defensive capability. Russia cannot afford that. It's why Russia needs a buffer.
Not NATO
Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:00 pm to NC_Tigah
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Instead, because Bill Clinton had been caught sticking cigars up Monica's hoo-ha, he needed a "tough guy" win to recover his Presidency. So he went with an in-your-face move, spit on Russia, and expanded NATO. That was a gargantuan diplomatic failure
I was today years old when I learned that Bill Clinton forced Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic to apply for NATO membership.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:03 pm to NC_Tigah
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It's why Russia needs a buffer.
If Russia wanted a geographic buffer comprised of the former satellite states to their west, they probably should not have spent the last 3 centuries subjugating and exploiting those nations to the extent that those states ran the opposite direction.
What Moscow wants for these places is opposite of what they themselves want. I don't understand what your solution is. We should just tell Poland, etc "sorry, but Moscow's paranoia dictates that we tell you to frick yourself."?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:06 pm to NC_Tigah
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SFP, if we get to a point where NATO is conducting wargames on the entirety of Russia's western border and the funding for the exercise is shared by a litany of countries, what is Russia going to have to do?
Ideally? Realize that they caused that situation and that they drove every single country on their European borders to seek protection from Washington, London, and Paris.
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Russia will have to respond as if the threat is real and present.
So running the same exercises that they have been running for 80 years?
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Russia cannot afford that. It's why Russia needs a buffer.
Then Russia shouldn't have been such a bad actor in those places. Outside of the Belorussian government, absolutely zero of the former Warsaw Pact governments want anything to do with Moscow's sphere of influence.
They should just capitulate though, and accept domination from Russia, right? Because after all, if Moscow says they are worried about a NATO invasion, that is the truth and everyone on Earth must adjust their policy to that position.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:15 pm to Indefatigable
Russia long goal was to take Istanbul, the goal was set at the time of the American War of Independence.
Britian has been fighting a proxy war with Russia before the Crimean War started. Britian backed Turkey many times before 1914, but Turkey turned to the German schools just before World War I.
The Gallipoli campaign does not come out of the blue, that operation was put in place to keep the Russians out of Istanbul.
Russia was fighting the Ottoman Empire on and off for long years and had lost a number of battles to the Ottoman Empire just before World War I started.
Russia's goal has been to take control of Istanbul for over 200 years.
Britian has been fighting a proxy war with Russia before the Crimean War started. Britian backed Turkey many times before 1914, but Turkey turned to the German schools just before World War I.
The Gallipoli campaign does not come out of the blue, that operation was put in place to keep the Russians out of Istanbul.
Russia was fighting the Ottoman Empire on and off for long years and had lost a number of battles to the Ottoman Empire just before World War I started.
Russia's goal has been to take control of Istanbul for over 200 years.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:20 pm to tigger1
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Russia's goal has been to take control of Istanbul for over 200 years.
If they feel that froggy, they are more than invited to jump. NATO would absolutely obliterate Russia in a conventional conflict--with the most damage coming in the first few hours or days of hostilities beginning. Russia couldn't take Istanbul from the Turks--without anyone else in NATO being involved, much less winning a protracted war against the alliance.
Russia knows that, which is why they throw a shite fit every time one of their neighbors or former vassals applies for membership.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:25 pm to TigerStripes30
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this is a proxy war
This
Washington is going to bleed Russia so long as they have Ukrainians left alive that can fire a rifle and Russia Forces remain in range
Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:27 pm to Indefatigable
There was a point in time when Poland stood between Russia and the bad guy in Europe, Germany. Good right? No, Russia cut a deal with Germany and they divided Poland in half. They really didn’t want a buffer there.
The same deal gave Russia other Eastern European countries; Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania and parts of Romania and Finland.
Russia uses the buffer excuse and the excuse that they are taking up for persecuted ethnic Russians to invade and conquer their neighbors. Attacking Ukraine is nothing new.
The same deal gave Russia other Eastern European countries; Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania and parts of Romania and Finland.
Russia uses the buffer excuse and the excuse that they are taking up for persecuted ethnic Russians to invade and conquer their neighbors. Attacking Ukraine is nothing new.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:30 pm to JColtF
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Washington is going to bleed Russia so long as they have Ukrainians left alive that can fire a rifle and Russia Forces remain in range
I do not understand this stated perception that the only reason Ukraine is fighting is because the United States is making them do so.
Where does that come from?
I'm not talking about whether Ukraine would be able to withstand Russia's initial attack or mount the summer offensive without Western help or actually win... I am wondering where this implied lack of Ukrainian will to fight absent Western prodding is coming from.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:34 pm to JColtF
I do wonder if there is truth to the story of the French commando type group fighting in the Ukraine.
I have seen no prove of this story.
I have seen no prove of this story.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:35 pm to Indefatigable
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I do not understand this stated perception that the only reason Ukraine is fighting is because the United States is making them do so.
Where does that come from?
They totally don't want Russia to win, but they think Ukraine should have given up everything to Russia and been happy to avoid the loss of life.
The only way that they can imagine Ukraine wanting to keep fighting within the above paradigm is Western interference.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:36 pm to tigger1
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I do wonder if there is truth to the story of the French commando type group fighting in the Ukraine.
I have seen no prove of this story.
I 100% believe we have various spec ops ALLLL over Ukraine. I don't know why it would be shocking if other similar Western units were there.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
Russia will throw dead soldiers at this thing til they bend the Ukraines. A country without enough young men will get even more behind the demographic 8 ball.
Thanks to Ukraine for showing two things
Our shite works and Russia is a gas station with dirty bathrooms and nukes
Thanks to Ukraine for showing two things
Our shite works and Russia is a gas station with dirty bathrooms and nukes
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