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re: Russia on verge of biggest gain in Ukraine since summer
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:22 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:22 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:No.
I literally posted a link
You 'literally' posted a link referring to an election 5-6 months after Yanukovych's illegitimate, unconstitutional removal, and Russia's resultant annexation of Crimea.
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Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:25 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:ORLY?
We didn't install the guy we wanted in charge
If not Poroshenko, who might our "guy" have been?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:26 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
You 'literally' posted a link referring to an election 5-6 months after Yanukovych's illegitimate, unconstitutional removal, and Russia's resultant annexation of Crimea.
"Moscow will "respect the choice of the Ukrainian people" and work with the country's government after a new president is elected on Sunday."
This, after:
quote:
Putin blamed the west for provoking the Ukraine crisis and said the country was now experiencing "full-blown civil war". However, he suggested on Friday that the Kremlin would recognise the vote. Since former president Viktor Yanukovych fled Ukraine in February, Moscow has referred to the interim government as a "junta" with no legitimacy. Russia has annexed the Crimea peninsula, and Kiev has accused it of stirring up an armed revolt in the east of the country as well.
So they respect the choice of the people and will work with the government, which changed their stance of claiming it was illegitimate, and you're arguing they never accepted the new government?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:27 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
If not Poroshenko, who might our "guy" have been?
Again, I LITERALLY named him already and sourced the reference.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:28 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
But, despite earlier backing the negotiations, Putin made it clear when presented with Kozak's deal that the concessions negotiated by his aide did not go far enough and that he had expanded his objectives to include annexing swathes of Ukrainian territory, the sources said. The upshot: the deal was dropped.
This proves it’s not about NATO and all about Putin wanting more and more.
The Russian apologist here can’t admit that.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:30 am to doubleb
quote:
This proves it’s not about NATO and all about Putin wanting more and more.
Exactly.
If there is an international organization Putin fears, it's the EU. NATO is just window dressing for his puffery.
When his puppet ruled Ukraine, there wasn't much done about NATO but there was a metric frick ton done about the EU.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:33 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
If there is an international organization Putin fears, it's the EU.
Explain please. Is Putin scared the EU will conquer Russia?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Where am I making that argument?
you're arguing they never accepted the new government?
I'm saying they viewed the coup, as do the vast vast majority of observers, as unconstitutional and illegitimate.
If guess I should ask, do you not view that coup as unconstitutional and illegitimate?
A subsequent election has no bearing on the above, whatsoever.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 9:35 am
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:34 am to GumboPot
quote:
Is Putin scared the EU will conquer Russia?
Absolutely. Just not in the pew pew sort of way. The Russians are worried about the EU for reasons ($$$$$ and trade/economic relationships) that are far more destructive for Russia's preferred status as dominatrix of its former vassals than any military conflict would be.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 9:38 am
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:35 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
So they respect the choice of the people and will work with the government, which changed their stance of claiming it was illegitimate, and you're arguing they never accepted the new government?
We know Russia. They say one thing, but they do another.
Zelensky was the new kid on the block. He wasn’t around in 2010 of 2014. He was elected in 2019 but somehow Putin had made him a scapegoat.
Putin didn’t respect him at all.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:40 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
I'm saying they viewed the coup, as do the vast vast majority of observers, as unconstitutional and illegitimate.
What difference does that make today?
Because Ukranians forced their elected guy out Putin has a blank check to invade 8 years later?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I LITERALLY cannot find that citation. Sorry.
Again, I LITERALLY named him already and sourced the reference.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:42 am to Indefatigable
quote:
Absolutely. Just not in the pew pew sort of way. The Russians are worried about the EU for reasons ($$$$$ and trade/economic relationships) that are far more destructive for Russia's preferred status as dominatrix of its former vassals than any military conflict would be.
How would the EU trading with Russia be destructive to Russia?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:45 am to GumboPot
quote:
How would the EU trading with Russia be destructive to Russia?
That's not what he is saying. Why would you even think that's what he is saying?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:48 am to doubleb
quote:What difference does it make that the US overthrew a legitimately elected, pro-Russian government and oversaw instillation of an interim pro-western "junta" in Russia's neighbor?
What difference does that make today?
Is that the question you're honestly asking?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:52 am to doubleb
quote:Except when they don't. They said NATO in Ukraine would mean war. They said it again, and again, and again. Potatobrain started the NATO-Ukraine dialogue back up, and in this instance, found Russia said one thing, then did the thing they said.
We know Russia. They say one thing, but they do another.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:57 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
What difference does it make that the US overthrew a legitimately elected, pro-Russian government and oversaw instillation of an interim pro-western "junta" in Russia's neighbor? Is that the question you're honestly asking?
No it’s not.
I’m asking why you think Putin the right to invade Ukraine 8 years after they overthrew their government and after they elected several new governments.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:04 am to Indefatigable
quote:Let's think about that.
The Russians are worried about the EU for reasons ($$$$$ and trade/economic relationships) that are far more destructive for Russia's preferred status as dominatrix of its former vassals than any military conflict would be.
If the effort was to advance all parties (including Russia) in a free-trade sort of way, why would Russia object?
They wouldn't.
In fact, the game the west continues is one of isolation, not incorporation. For some reason, likely cold war vestiges, Russia is isolated while China is embraced. Economic isolation eventually spells defeat.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:06 am to doubleb
quote:I don't.
I’m asking why you think Putin the right to invade Ukraine
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:11 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Except when they don't. They said NATO in Ukraine would mean war. They said it again, and again, and again.
Yep, dummies acting like this was shocking. Russia said this would happen for years.
We interfered in the politics and elections of another nation.
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