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re: Roger Wicker says Hegseth made a bad speech, says Tucker Carlson is a fool

Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:07 am to
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:07 am to
So did I but these entrenched guys seem to be unbeatable without massive targeted funding, I don’t know how to get the word out to enough people organically
Posted by TheBeezer
Texas
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:10 am to
If anybody wants to know about Senator Roger Wicker and how corrupt he is, go watch Kings of Tupelo on Netflix, the single most entertaining and eyebrow-raising documentary in the past 5 years.
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:12 am to
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What a dumbass this guy is


That's why I hope Elon stays committed to primarying these corrupt phonies.
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
14752 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:12 am to
The ole god vs evil bullshite has to stop. The sooner people realize we don’t hold a monopoly on virtue the better
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
6778 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:15 am to
I'm out of the loop this week, what did Hegseth say that he had to walk back?
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
19522 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:17 am to
We need to put him on Musk and Shanahan's primary list.
Posted by Al Bundy Bulldog
The Grindfather
Member since Dec 2010
36330 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:21 am to
WIcker is a swamp monster who has overstayed his time in Washington. As a Mississippi I think that it time he move on in life. We don't need another Mitch McConnell from a RUBY RED state caring more about what benefits him as opposed to the citizens of Mississippi and the citizens of the United States. Thirty years in Washington and NOTHING to show for it with the people of Mississippi.

I'd love for Elon and DOGE to look at how much money Wicker has made off his 3 decades in Washington.
Posted by aero1126
Member since Oct 2016
1159 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:22 am to
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and is notoriously petty


So he's a snowflake?
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37576 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:22 am to
So we sell out the Ukrainians and NATO for expediency sake and tell the Ukrainians and NATO "it sucks to be you".

So the result comes down to do you want Russian troops in Kyiv this summer or in October as the Europeans put together a "peacekeeping" force that works as a possible stopgap that gets emasculated before deployment. If I'm Putin I say, no need to to go to Saudi to hammer this out. Send me the paperwork.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13525 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:23 am to
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This is just a brain dead meaningless statement, and I doubt you want to get in the weeds defending it.


I don't think getting in any weeds is necessary. Putin's argument for why he has not violated Article 2 (4) of the UN charter is that he has the right to invade Ukraine under Article 51 of the UK Charter. But Ukraine has not attacked or threatened Russia (or any other nation). So the argument is clearly specious.

Heck, using that justification, Trump could invade Mexico.

Putin is clearly violating the UN charter and his argument is clearly B.S.

Being "the bad guy" means you're the one breaking the law, right?

If so, Putin's the "bad guy."

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I doubt this is something you’d be willing to get in the weeds to defend. A


Again, I doubt weeds would be necessary to defend it. Do I need to get into the weeds to defend the viewpoint that capitalism isn't bad because it produces Dollar Stores? Or that Russia isn't a better place to live than the United States? Or that Carlson has single-handedly taught rightist populists to default to a false dilemma fallacy every time any military action is considered? Or that it was probably one of Carlson's four dogs who scratched him in the middle of the night in his bed rather than a demon?

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I’d be willing to guess that you don’t even listen to him yourself


Of course I don't. Why would I listen to someone who claims the above?

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but the people who you do listen to are in the anti Carlson camp and give you plenty of curated opinions.


I don't "listen" to anybody. I don't watch the news, I don't listen to podcasts or radio or anything. I occasionally catch someone on YouTube discussing politics, but no one who gives much attention to Huckster.

I did listen to Carlson many years ago, before he realized that populism was taking over the right and someone could make a ton of money by giving them what they wanted to hear in grandiose tabloid fashion, but since then what I know of him is about 90% based on what y'all repost here.

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But he was an invaluable tool for drumming up healthy and needed dissent the last few years


You say it's healthy because you agree with the isolationism (you'd have to, or you wouldn't defend Huckster). I say it's massively corrosive. Trump's not an isolationist (thank God), but if this trend continues among the right, eventually the US will find itself acting just like we did before WWI and WWII, and the same consequences will occur.

There is a responsibility when you are the most powerful nation on Earth to keep some semblance of order.

Sorry, that's just the way it is. And the dumbest thing that Huckster has taught people to think is that it doesn't affect us when chaos ensues elsewhere and that we shouldn't intervene in it. But the vast majority of the time, it does affect us, just not directly.

What Huckster has taught people on the right to do is think like a typical low information voter who votes based on no knowledge or understanding of how electing certain individuals will end up causing their taxes to go up over here, or affect the price of gas over here, or affect their freedom over here. They just ignore it because the cause and effect chain isn't direct, so they vote for AOC or Newsome or whoever and then when the policies end up creating those conditions they deny that they had anything to do with it.

That's what Huckster has taught people on the right to think like when it comes to foriegn policy.
Posted by Al Bundy Bulldog
The Grindfather
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:24 am to
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We need to put him on Musk and Shanahan's primary list.


You could but it will be 5 years away after Trump has left the White House.
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:25 am to
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So we sell out the Ukrainians and NATO for expediency sake and tell the Ukrainians and NATO "it sucks to be you".


Don’t act like the majority of the right wing wasn’t vehemently against the Ukraine war from the very beginning.

Elections have consequences is an overused cliche, but get real and get over yourself. The real criminals are the ones who propped them up in an unwinnable situation for cynical reasons.
Posted by goldennugget
NIL Ruined College Sports
Member since Jul 2013
26376 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:25 am to
Wicker is a forever war neocon stooge.
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
25463 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:26 am to
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Roger Wicker says Hegseth made a bad speech, says Tucker Carlson is a fool


Hm. Well thanks for putting another major establishment goon at the top of my primary list. This guy's got to go. When's he up for reelection?
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
25463 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:28 am to
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What did he say that was wrong?



Anyone who wants Ukraine in NATO wants, needs, and LOVES war. I can't even imagine the MIL money leading to this guy.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
10132 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:29 am to
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So we sell out the Ukrainians and NATO for expediency sake and tell the Ukrainians and NATO "it sucks to be you".


I trust President Trump to negotiate the best deal for the people of the United States. The sucks part is that EVERYONE was sold a bill of goods by the NeoCons. The US bears some responsibility for that. I don't know how to reflect that in the final settlement, but I trust President Trump.

Serious question: do you think Russia invades Ukraine without US meddling in Ukranian elections?
This post was edited on 2/14/25 at 10:32 am
Posted by DeltaDoc
The Delta
Member since Jan 2008
16791 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:33 am to
Wicker needs a colonoscopy from DOGE. He’s never had a non-government job of any consequence and has been in DC for decades. Miraculously, he’s a multimillionaire.

I’m actually around him every so often. I’ve not seen him without an Ukraine pin on his chest since the war started.

He’s the new chair of armed services in the Senate…meaning he’s bought and paid for by the MIC.

While DOGE is at it, they should go across the road and audit Bennie Thompson. He’s also a multimillionaire off of a government check.

Mississippi has consistently put corrupt politicians in DC for a long, long time.

Back to Wicker, I think the suggestion to debate Tucker is great. Wicker is not a smart guy. He’s smart enough not to have that debate though.

Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:38 am to
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If so, Putin's the "bad guy."


Zelenskyy suspended elections, closed churches, jailed journalists, assassinated rivals.

There are no good guys, which is the point. No one claims Putin is a good guy. Statements like “there’s a good guy and a bad guy” are retarded.

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Again, I doubt weeds would be necessary to defend it. Do I need to get into the weeds to defend the viewpoint that capitalism isn't bad because it produces Dollar Stores? Or that Russia isn't a better place to live than the United States? Or that Carlson has single-handedly taught rightist populists to default to a false dilemma fallacy every time any military action is considered? Or that it was probably one of Carlson's four dogs who scratched him in the middle of the night in his bed rather than a demon?


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Of course I don't. Why would I listen to someone who claims the above?


If you actually listened to him you would know that none of that is true as you presented it. For example with the quality of life and cleanliness in Moscow, he brought it up specifically to say that he doesn’t want to live in Russia because he’s an American and loves America, but it’s unacceptable that we can’t have the same quality things (like our subways) when we are a way more wealthy nation. If you are aligning yourself against such opinions you do it at your own detriment, because it makes you seem deranged. It’s the same nuance story for your other examples.

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You say it's healthy because you agree with the isolationism (you'd have to, or you wouldn't defend Huckster). I say it's massively corrosive. Trump's not an isolationist (thank God), but if this trend continues among the right, eventually the US will find itself acting just like we did before WWI and WWII, and the same consequences will occur.

There is a responsibility when you are the most powerful nation on Earth to keep some semblance of order.


It’s healthy because the previous administration was out of control, and needed as much populist anger brought against them as possible.

As for your larger point, this just isn’t something you’re going to be able to get people to agree with right now. In principle and previously I would have agreed with you, but in the moment I cannot support these endeavors while we allow our own country to deteriorate.

You see what our foreign policy has been under the radar now. Promoting homosexuality and degeneracy for subversive and cynical reasons. A complete outrage that shows we have lost all credibility to serve the role we had been.

Now if we fix all of this can we return to a more prominent role? Maybe, but we have some real problems right now. No one is having kids, we let millions of third worlders cross the border illegally, our culture is completely evil, and the whole population is demoralized. I’m sorry but that is the bigger concern right now, and no one is going to listen to any of your other concerns until that is addressed in a real way.

And tell me, is our debt a problem or is it not? If it is, how can the empire at full scale as it has been be justified?
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:39 am to
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This guy's got to go. When's he up for reelection?


Unfortunately he was reelected last year
Posted by Zahrim
McCamey Texas
Member since Mar 2009
8155 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:44 am to
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And Ukraine is entitled to the promises that the world made to it


Yes the origional promise was that we would let them give their nukes back to russia and we would not let them into nato.


thanks for playing you gope stooge senator....
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