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re: Rittenhouse lawyer says he believes jury is deadlocked at 6-6 split
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:12 pm to Caraway Rye
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:12 pm to Caraway Rye
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If there was another trial its going to be after the Kiminski case is settled
Very interesting point. Time favors Rittenhouse here, both from this point as well as mob mentality dying down.
I personally want this to happen and the prosecution to make an actual, merit based case here to the best they can, and not whatever in god's name they've done over the past 3 weeks. Because then you can argue the facts and the case is actually used as a precedent.
The issue with a Rittenhouse acquittal due to an inept prosecution is that the case can't be referenced by any defense attorney, since any prosecution worth their pay wouldn't use the same half arse arguments we've seen.
I'm not a lawyer, nor a judge, so I only have my personal opinion as to if Kyle is innocent or guilty. But I do want this, as well as every case, to be argued competently by both sides on the facts of the and laws of each state. Circuses like this do nothing for the quality of the courts.
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Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:14 pm to 9Fiddy
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that’s the case, this country is fricked in ways beyond what even we can imagine
I'm a broken record. Imagine if you will, a random Wal-Mart shopper. That person is basically the average American. Now how well do you think those people truly understand the law?
That's why juries are a huge gamble.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:14 pm to L.A.
Posobiec isn’t reliable.
Sorry
Sorry
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:15 pm to evil cockroach
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How many more days will the judge let them deliberate?
The jury has as much time as it wants. The judge can't order them to stop deliberating.
If it appears they are deadlocked (whether 6-6, 11-1 to convict, 11-1 to acquit, or anything else) they notify the judge they are deadlocked. The judge can then order the jury to keep deliberating (and a judge may direct them once or twice to do so), but if it appears nothing will change, then we have a hung jury and a mistrial.
I will say that if you get a 6-6 split, the prosecution may have to think twice about a retrial. It may be hard to stack the jury that much.
This post was edited on 11/18/21 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:16 pm to evil cockroach
quote:The judge doesn't "let them" but he is responsible for making sure the jury has every opportunity to come to a decision.
How many more days will the judge let them deliberate?
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:18 pm to HubbaBubba
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The judge doesn't "let them" but he is responsible for making sure the jury has every opportunity to come to a decision.
I mean he can pull the plug out whenever he wants to in any direction other than guilty
Distinction without a difference
This post was edited on 11/18/21 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:23 pm to MrLSU
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Nicholas Bogel-Burroughs of the NY Times confirms he was the reporter who spoke to Mark Richard "a lawyer for Kyle Rittenhouse, tells me and Julie Bosman what he though when he looked at the 12 jurors today as they were about to head home for a third night with no verdict. "I thought, they're 6-6 split. That's what I thought.
So this is what Richards thought just by looking at the jury while they were in the box? Doesn’t mean much, if anything.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:25 pm to Chet Donnely
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So this is what Richards thought just by looking at the jury while they were in the box? Doesn’t mean much, if anything.
Maybe he called Bull and his jury selection firm to see how things were going?
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:27 pm to L.A.
I knew when I heard the jury was majority women it wouldn’t be unanimous not guilty. Not in Wisconsin
In Alabama sure, but women up there are left leaning and throw their emotion into it and facts don’t matter one bit
In Alabama sure, but women up there are left leaning and throw their emotion into it and facts don’t matter one bit
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:30 pm to L.A.
Literally more of the facts couldn’t have gone his way either.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:30 pm to deltaland
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when I heard the jury was majority women it wouldn’t be unanimous not guilty. Not in Wisconsin
Absolutely. In fact id go so far as to say the GUILTY ones are comprised of 5 or 6 of the 7 women on the jury
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:31 pm to deltaland
Women are my favorite jurors, by far. Especially if the other guy is acting the fool and being an arrogant jackass, much like prosecution here. All you have to do is be the nice guy, or the non arrogant non chauvinist sweet and humble guy. Throw in a little favorable evidence, and boom. When it's all over get back to grabbin pussies.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:32 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Posobiec isn’t reliable.
Sorry
He just repeated what a news org said without giving any attribution.
He's not the most ethical guy around.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:32 pm to kingbob
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Wouldn’t a single not guilty vote result in a finding of not guilty? The standard for conviction in criminal matters is not a preponderance, it’s not majority rule, it’s beyond a reasonable doubt. If the jury isn’t unanimous to convict, then the defendant is not guilty.
Hell of an advertisement for LSU Law School baw
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:32 pm to BuckyCheese
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Rittenhouse lawyer says he believes jury is deadlocked at 6-6 split
If that's true Karen, and the doxing attempts, are making progress.
This, six of them are scared to do the right thing.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:34 pm to davyjones
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All you have to do is be the nice guy, or the non arrogant non chauvinist sweet and humble guy. Throw in a little favorable evidence, and boom. When it's all over get back to grabbin pussies.
Well, that wasn't Richards. I shook my head when he said "you people", talking to the jury.
From earlier in the trial I'm guessing Chirafisi talks to the jury a bit better and would be higher on the likable scale.
This post was edited on 11/18/21 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:34 pm to L.A.
This is what everyone wants when they turn the other way to stolen elections and communist takeover.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:35 pm to The Boat
quote:I thought he was an attorney but then I read his post and I thought I thought wrong.
Hell of an advertisement for LSU Law School baw
This post was edited on 11/18/21 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:42 pm to Jake88
What would happen if the jurors admitted that they were too intimidated to make a verdict?
This post was edited on 11/18/21 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:42 pm to WWII Collector
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What would happen if the jurors admitted that they were intimidated to make a verdict?
Thrown out/mistrial
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