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re: RFK Jr: Politicians supporting bill to fund Ozempic are compromised

Posted on 7/28/25 at 8:16 am to
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 7/28/25 at 8:16 am to
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
38794 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 8:38 am to
RFKJ is smart and honest, but the hard truth is that poor and simple minded people cannot handle Freedom. And given DEI propaganda they will be offended at losing their freedom to choose what taste good but is very unhealthy. Costly so, with said costs being borne by working people.

God bless him but we’ll play hell enforcing this.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
37171 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 8:39 am to
Ozempic should be out of pocket. End of discussion.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
30957 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 8:43 am to
How bout Medicare use their weight to get a lower price. PBM's get huge "rebates" on the meds. They probably pay half of the listed price. When they can sell the same meds for a cash price of $499/month, they're making plenty of money at that price. There are crazy arse rules that prevent medicare from getting rebates, but pricing can be negotiated. Of course, even then there are crazy arse rules and regulations that keep prices falsely elevated and prevent drug companies from lowering the costs.
Posted by SippyCup
Gulf Coast
Member since Sep 2008
6831 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 8:49 am to
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I have great insurance and have switched to Mounjaro because it keeps my blood sugar regulated a lot better), so of course the bad guys are against it.


A couple down the street from me had a year long bet (not sure what the wager was) that discipline and exercise would have better reults tham the shot. Both are somewhere in their 50s and easily 40lbs overweight, the husband is a diabetic. In 6 months the wife lost almost 30 lbs and the husband 25. A year later, the husband was down 35 and the wife 25. I guarantee she will be fat again and he wont.

I'm not for or against it, I just know discipline and healthy habits will outlast a quick fix.
This post was edited on 7/28/25 at 8:50 am
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112783 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 9:02 am to
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No, the number is about 40%.


I think hes including overweight in his number.
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
26717 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 9:13 am to
They have been talking about using it for patients with parkinsons.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
37171 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 9:50 am to
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How bout Medicare use their weight to get a lower price.
Oh Hell yeah! If only there were people in Washington that cared about we, the people!
Posted by TrackDawg
Sugar Hill
Member since Sep 2013
999 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:02 am to
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I hear this drug does a great job of paralyzing your stomach, permanently and irreversible.



quote:

I hear you like to frick your sister, often.


Are you fat and lazy AF or work for the pharmaceutical company?

While not a complete paralysis of the intestines, Ozempic can cause serious gastrointestinal issues like gastroparesis (stomach paralysis) and bowel obstruction, which can significantly impact the digestive process. These conditions can lead to symptoms such as severe stomach pain, nausea, vomiting, and difficulty passing food through the intestines.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26949 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:05 am to
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That is flatout illegal. There are laws on the books that expressly forbid “kickbacks”.


I knew there was a crack-down at some point, but tell me this: why the hell do drug companies spend money on pharma reps? What do they do? They clearly believe they increase sales and add value, so how does that work?
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76603 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:17 am to
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why the hell do drug companies spend money on pharma reps?
Not sure.

That job has been in rapid decline over the years, with some saying it is dying out.

I haven’t seen a sales rep in years.

The only experience I ever had with them was in residency and it was a catered lunch to watch them give a presentation on a new “brand name” drug.
This post was edited on 7/28/25 at 10:20 am
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11530 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:28 am to
They push a lot digitally now - webinars, speakers' series with experts on the subject matter relevant to their drug/device. And they still do dinners, often again with a talk. You'll also see a lot of them at conferences.
Posted by YouKnowImRight
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2023
2866 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:15 am to
Unless there is a solid business case to show this reduces costs to Medicare and Medicaid, it should not even be considered.

If it can be shown to save dollars in the long run, negotiate that ridiculous price down to $300 and go for it.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71983 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 12:07 pm to
Judging by the recent massive Medicare/caid fraud arrests the hustle has moved on to the medical equipment supply racket.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26949 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 12:14 pm to
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They push a lot digitally now - webinars, speakers' series with experts on the subject matter relevant to their drug/device. And they still do dinners, often again with a talk. You'll also see a lot of them at conferences.


Why does that produce more sales? Are docs ignorant of new drugs and have to be told what they are? Are they "talked into" prescribing more or this or that at these conferences?
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11530 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 12:39 pm to
Lots of medical organizations don't let them detail on-site, so conferences are an opportunity for them to meet docs face-to-face, and even if they do, the culture has changed where most docs aren't that open to cold calls anymore. Reps have typical salespeople traits (gregarious, easy-to-talk to, attractive, etc.) and they do offer opportunities for you to get to hear experts in your field discuss new trials because like in every other phase of life now info overload also affects doctors and experts help people contextualize info.

Even if you don't learn any new facts, though, relationships & recently hearing info matters. I remember on a number of occasions having done to a drug-rep sponsored lunch and then being in a clinical situation when their drug out of 5 or 6 "me too" alternatives popped into my mind first ahead of others. That and similar ways is how it works. we're susceptible to sales like everybody else, but if you recognize it, you can mitigate it.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57013 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 12:57 pm to
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That’s literally how this has always worked. Now they are doing it for a drug that actually helps keep people alive (myself included, though I have great insurance and have switched to Mounjaro because it keeps my blood sugar regulated a lot better), so of course the bad guys are against it.


You think 6 year olds should be taking mounjaro?
Posted by Goforit
Member since Apr 2019
8701 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 1:22 pm to
Ozempic can be a very dangerous drug. It an cause some serious problems. Some which cannot be reversed.
Posted by ole man
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
16934 posts
Posted on 7/29/25 at 10:28 am to
Ozempic is banned in europe
Posted by TigerVespamon
Member since Dec 2010
7405 posts
Posted on 7/29/25 at 10:43 am to
I take Ozempic for its original purpose—managing my A1C levels. Lately, with so many people using it for weight loss, I’ve had to submit refill requests a week early just to avoid delays from constant “out of stock” notices at the pharmacy. Expanding access through Medicare and Medicaid for fatties’ weight loss use, will likely make availability even worse for those of us who rely on it for its intended medical purpose.
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