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re: RFK- keto diet as cure for schizophrenia
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:44 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:44 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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I said it was completely unsupported.
But it isn't completely unsupported.
2 is 2 more than zero.
Unsupported means zero.
I bet if you were around in the 1800s you would have been one of the many surgeons shitting on Lister and killing patients.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:45 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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This is why we do well designed studies with more than 2 patients.
We who?
You got a mouse in your pocket?
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:45 pm to LSUTANGERINE
It has been an “intervention” (which is a funny term given it’s just the way humans ate as a matter of course for millennia) for epilepsy and glioblastoma for years (epilepsy many decades).
I haven’t read RFKJ’a statement or the studies he’s citing or referring to, but I highly doubt anyone is actually claiming a “cure” for schizophrenia etc.
You drank bleach during COVID, didn’t you?
Eta: your downvote tells me, “yes.”
I haven’t read RFKJ’a statement or the studies he’s citing or referring to, but I highly doubt anyone is actually claiming a “cure” for schizophrenia etc.
You drank bleach during COVID, didn’t you?
Eta: your downvote tells me, “yes.”
This post was edited on 2/5/26 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:46 pm to SallysHuman
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We who?
Bozo is inflating his importance again
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:49 pm to McLemore
The guy he is citing is claiming that many patients have gone into full remission from schizophrenia by switching to a keto diet. The issue here is conflating the term remission and cure.
Essentially RFK is just telling people to stop eating processed foods and eat more protein. Medical experts in here disagree with that assessment and want people eating more fast food so they can continue prescribing patients anti-psychotic drugs.
That is this thread in a nutshell.
Essentially RFK is just telling people to stop eating processed foods and eat more protein. Medical experts in here disagree with that assessment and want people eating more fast food so they can continue prescribing patients anti-psychotic drugs.
That is this thread in a nutshell.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:50 pm to AlterEd
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So I take it you're trying to imply he is wrong?
Yes
A keto diet can help with mood and some cognitive stuff but its not curing schizophrenia.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:51 pm to Sunnyvale
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This dude is nuts.
Your telling me, if the son of Rob Reiner decided to do a keto style diet he would not have killed both of his elite hollywood parents.
No, what I'm telling you is to go get your 25th covid booster, believe the science!
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:51 pm to AlterEd
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Understanding ALL of biochemistry, the physiology of the human body is necessary before beginning.
For example:
Ketosis—a metabolic state where the body burns fat for fuel, producing ketones instead of relying primarily on glucose. It delivers miraculous short-term benefits that make it seem like a miracle for many, especially those starting from a standard modern diet filled with poor quality foods, and poisons, over-ladened with excessive amounts of refined sugar.
However, sustained ketosis is not aligned with human physiology’s long-term needs, particularly in vulnerable populations like those with neurodegeneration or chronic disease, or in severe disease states .
1. Most people adopting keto drastically cut refined sugars, processed foods, GMO corn products (high in inflammatory omega-6s), glyphosate-laden wheat, and conventionally grown produce sprayed with atrazine, pesticides, and herbicides. These chemicals disrupt gut integrity, promote systemic inflammation, and burden detoxification pathways. By removing them—even temporarily—inflammation drops sharply. The “glow” many report isn’t purely from ketones; it’s largely from halting continuous toxic exposure.
2. Ketosis mimics caloric restriction, ramping up autophagy—the cellular cleanup process that recycles damaged components and reduces oxidative stress. Combined with lower toxin intake, this creates a profound sense of clarity, energy, and symptom relief. People notice reduced bloating, brain fog, and pain because the body finally gets a break from processing daily chemical assaults.
3. High intake of healthy fats and quality animal proteins supplies abundant building blocks: cholesterol and phospholipids for cell membranes, hormone production, and bile production, amino acids for muscle repair, collagen synthesis, and myelin sheath integrity. In a nutrient-deprived modern diet, this sudden influx supports rapid tissue rebuilding, contributing to improved strength, recovery, and neurological stability early on.
These combined effects create a compelling “honeymoon phase” that convinces many ketosis is the ultimate cure—especially when pushed by influencers as the “new thing”, as everyone is searching for something that “works” for how bad they feel.
But these gains will eventually plateau or reverse as the body adapts and restrictions reveal the costs in long term.
Human physiology was designed for flexibility—seamlessly switching fuels—not permanent ketosis, a SURVIVAL mechanism for famine.
Chronic restriction imposes trade-offs that compound over months and years, especially in severe diseased states.
4. Ketosis is naturally diuretic, flushing electrolytes (sodium, potassium, magnesium) as glycogen depletes and water is released. Even in adapted ketosis, higher protein/fat metabolism increases urinary mineral loss. Keto’s restricted food variety—limiting fruits, roots, and CLEAN whole wheat—makes it nearly impossible to consume therapeutic doses needed to refill depleted stores.
5. Neurodegenerative and severe disease state people START with unbalanced sodium and potassium, and low magnesium, zinc, and selenium; chronic deficiency impairs ATP production, antioxidant defenses, and neuronal signaling. Supplements help short-term but do not match the synergistic, bioavailable delivery from whole food, leading to progressive deficits: fatigue, cramps, arrhythmias, and worsened neurodegeneration.
Those that don’t supplement high doses of whole food derived minerals are not getting enough therapeutically and would have to spend hundreds of dollars trying to acquire from the current market - which unironically derives these minerals and nutrients FROM FRUIT and herb bearing seed. LOL
for those that don't have twitter and would like to view the thread:
https://xcancel.com/OG_DrC/status/2019384866928824776
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:53 pm to AlterEd
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And today you can watch AI robotics slice and stich kernels of corn with millimeter precision.
Awesome stuff. Really fascinating.
Three years ago I watched a robot perform the monthly settlement survey of the walls to a huge copper mine pit. Did it down to fractions of a millimeter. Then after it was done, the surveyor that had been doing the same job, for several years, looked over what the robot did, signed his name and got paid.
Oh, I ain't in medical BTW. I do something much different.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:53 pm to AlterEd
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And now this so-called doctor is going to disparage the guy who has been teaching psychiatry at Harvard for 30 frickin years
Ask chatgpt “what level of evidence is a case series with N = 2” and you’ll get why I’m laughing at this “cure.”
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:54 pm to WeeWee
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So yes it is inappropriate to call it a cure for schizophrenia or to say that patients are cured.
I don’t care what RFK called it. It’s irrelevant because he’s not participating in the study.
What is relevant is that the data collected suggests this is something worthy of further investigation.
The St. Maarten scholars here disagree and prefer to maintain the status quo.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:55 pm to lurking
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The St. Maarten scholars here disagree and prefer to maintain the status quo.
Exactamundo
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:56 pm to SallysHuman
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2 is 2 more than zero.
2 what?
You are having trouble understanding that this case series is not the evidence that two people were “cured” by a keto diet that you are portending.
Let me ask you this. If Palmer did this keto intervention on 500 of his patients…but it only worked on two so he published their data…how would you now interpret this case series?
I also recommend you look up levels of evidence.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:57 pm to SallysHuman
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We who?
People who participate in clinical research? You confused by this concept?
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:59 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Not sure about mental illness cure but I dropped a massive amount of weight on keto for the last 10 months. Feel as good as I did and weigh the same as I did in my 20’s
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:59 pm to AlterEd
These are the same retards that were screaming about the science being settled during Covid.
Maddening that anyone still listens to these people.
Maddening that anyone still listens to these people.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:59 pm to AlterEd
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Essentially RFK is just telling people to stop eating processed foods and eat more protein. Medical experts in here disagree with that assessment and want people eating more fast food so they can continue prescribing patients anti-psychotic drugs.
This is the reading comprehension and intellect of someone completely lacking gyri and sulci.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 3:00 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Let me ask you this. If Palmer did this keto intervention on 500 of his patients…but it only worked on two so he published their data…how would you now interpret this case series?
Is this the case or is it something you pulled out of the mouse in your pocket's arse?
Posted on 2/5/26 at 3:01 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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People who participate in clinical research? You confused by this concept?
I could definitely believe you are a research subject.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 3:01 pm to Sunnyvale
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This dude is nuts.
Your telling me, if the son of Rob Reiner decided to do a keto style diet he would not have killed both of his elite hollywood parents.
If you listen to what he actually said, you would know that he was citing a Harvard professor who reported he cured a person's case of schizophrenia. He also said he saw a study where someone with bipolar disorder was no longer diagnosed as such after changing his diet.
No one said it would cure everyone. Aspirin helps headaches, but that doesn't mean it works on everyone. And it certainly doesn't mean that when told aspirin helps with headaches, you jump to the argument, "so it will stop all cluster migraines?"
It suggests that more research should be done.
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