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re: RFK- keto diet as cure for schizophrenia
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:12 pm to SallysHuman
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:12 pm to SallysHuman
Engage with a case study with an N = 2? You can't even run the most basic of stats on something like that.
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Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:12 pm to SallysHuman
Deep ketosis is a miracle. People who eat sugar and carbs and have never experienced ketosis need to (respectfully) shut the frick up.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:13 pm to AlterEd
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So here's a fun one. Do you guys know how Christopher Palmer treats schizophrenia and bipolar disorder? With keto diet. Dude has been with Harvard as a psychiatrist for 30 frickin years.
Mate when we meet for club sodas at BVCC this weekend Ill share my keto meal plans with you. My Caesar salad dressing recipe is amazing.
This post was edited on 2/5/26 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:14 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Engage with a case study with an N = 2? You can't even run the most basic of stats on something like that.
Gotta start somewhere.
You said it was impossible.
For two souls, it seems to have worked.
Are you denying the therapeutic effects for these two individuals?
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:14 pm to UtahCajun
I never said all of them. I said a large number of them. And yes, it will happen.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:14 pm to onmymedicalgrind
You don’t have to. It’s obvious to everyone here you’re at the very bottom of your field.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:17 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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onmymedicalgrind
You know, actually... you said RFKjr lied about the patient cured with keto.
He didn't as evidenced by this N2 writeup.
You gonna take your slander back? The man did not lie.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:21 pm to WeeWee
More than just 2. He claims many have after having treated dozens this way. Not an exact number, but it's more than 2.
Again, it's obviously still early and studies are underway. But when many people have experienced full remission this way it is NOT out of line for RFK to say that it can cure schizophrenia. Because it has. And I still can't believe people are in here arguing against this shite when the dude was essentially just telling people to eat healthier foods.
It's the stupidest stance you guys can possibly take.
Again, it's obviously still early and studies are underway. But when many people have experienced full remission this way it is NOT out of line for RFK to say that it can cure schizophrenia. Because it has. And I still can't believe people are in here arguing against this shite when the dude was essentially just telling people to eat healthier foods.
It's the stupidest stance you guys can possibly take.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:22 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:22 pm to SallysHuman
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In both the cases you posted... both patients were diagnosed with schizophrenia. Both patients went keto, both patients were able to go off meds and remain off meds successfully.
Is this in dispute for the two patients?
No it is not disputed. What is disputed is the reason why the patients were able to weaned off the meds and stay off the meds. According to google AI 77-95% of schizophrenic patients relapse within 1-2 years of coming off meds. However, that also means that 5-23% of patients do not. So the fact that the 2 patients were able to come off meds and did not relapse is not first. It is rare but not groundbreaking. The keto diet could be the reason they did not relapse or it could not be the reason. A case study is not strong enough evidence to make a conclusion from. Which is why the authors of the study did not try and present keto diets as an alternative treatment for schizophrenia. In fact the only conclusion the authors came to was that it was an interesting cases and that it should be studied further with RCTs which provide stronger evidence which could support making a conclusion.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:25 pm to WeeWee
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According to google AI 77-95% of schizophrenic patients relapse within 1-2 years of coming off meds. However, that also means that 5-23% of patients do not. So the fact that the 2 patients were able to come off meds and did not relapse is not first. It is rare but not groundbreaking. The keto diet could be the reason they did not relapse or it could not be the reason. A case study is not strong enough evidence to make a conclusion from. Which is why the authors of the study did not try and present keto diets as an alternative treatment for schizophrenia
Fair enough.
Hopefully it's something positive that has something to it. Every breakthrough starts somewhere.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:25 pm to AlterEd
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And yes, it will happen.
I remember it like it was yesterday. The year was 1977 and I was 7 years old. New reports said robotics would take all of our jobs by the turn of the century or at least within 30 years or so.
Here I am, 56 years old, still waiting for the robot. Now I am adding AI to that list of things I am waiting for. Sooner or later, something is gonna take my job. Maybe a time traveller from the future who came to this time to find a job. Whatever. I promise you that I will be dead and gone long before then. My grandchildren too.
This post was edited on 2/5/26 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:28 pm to BBONDS25
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Dems love mental illness. They celebrate it.
They're lucky they feel 6that way. Most are eaten up with it.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:35 pm to SallysHuman
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You said it was impossible.
I never said it was impossible. I said it was completely unsupported.
If you think we determine "cures" based on case studies of 2 patients....I don't know what to tell you.
Not 200. Not 20. Literally, 2.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:36 pm to AlterEd
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He claims many have after having treated dozens this way. Not an exact number, but it's more than 2.
Anyone can claim anything. We need data.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:37 pm to AlterEd
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But when many people have experienced full remission this way it is NOT out of line for RFK to say that it can cure schizophrenia.
Yes it is inappropriate to call it a cure for 3 reasons.
1. As I posted earlier 5-23% of schizophrenic patients are able to come off meds and avoid remission. Keto diet could play a role in that or it could just an interesting phenomenon. We do not know because the evidence is not there yet to tell us one way or the other.
2. A cure requires being able to eliminate the underlying cause for a disease such that a patient can live without any continued intervention for that problem. The stuff you have linked to back up your own arguments does not say that patients are cured. They say that patients are in remission. Remission =/= cure just ask any cancer patient.
3. RFK and others saying it is a cure are making conclusions that even the authors of the studies they are referencing are not making.
So yes it is inappropriate to call it a cure for schizophrenia or to say that patients are cured.
This post was edited on 2/5/26 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:39 pm to SallysHuman
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You know, actually... you said RFKjr lied about the patient cured with keto.
He didn't as evidenced by this N2 writeup.
This is why we do well designed studies with more than 2 patients. Being weaned off of schizo meds can be due to multiple reasons. Hence, why we conduct trials to control for these multiple reasons, and evaluate the intervention of interest. This is basic stuff.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:39 pm to UtahCajun
And today you can watch AI robotics slice and stich kernels of corn with millimeter precision. It is definitely coming. Of course there will still need to be doctors, but not nearly as many.
Diagnoses will get much better as well which will lead to less overall dependence on doctors.
The medical profession is going to change dramatically in the coming years.
Diagnoses will get much better as well which will lead to less overall dependence on doctors.
The medical profession is going to change dramatically in the coming years.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:41 pm to WeeWee
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1. As I posted earlier 5-23% of schizophrenic patients are able to come off meds and avoid remission. Keto diet could play a role in that or it could just an interesting phenomenon. We do not know because the evidence is not there yet to tell us one way or the other.
It also could just be due to chance
He published a case series of 2 patients. Why just 2? Is it because he tried this in others and it proved inefficacious?
Posted on 2/5/26 at 2:43 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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He published a case series of 2 patients. Why just 2? Is it because he tried this in others and it proved inefficacious?
And now this so-called doctor is going to disparage the guy who has been teaching psychiatry at Harvard for 30 frickin years.
By God, every motherfricker is wrong except for our resident medical experts here on tigerdroppings.com.
This post was edited on 2/5/26 at 2:45 pm
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