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re: Retard on Tucker’s show says the Muslim conquerors weren’t that bad

Posted on 6/23/26 at 8:25 pm to
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 8:25 pm to
You may want to actually listen to what Hall was saying. Specifically, when the Ottomans were in control of the Holy Land, they were respectful to Christian holy sites. That's it. That's the context of the conversation.

Y'all bringing up the Iberian conquest, Tours, Vlad the Impaler and the like are conflating eight different issues.

Hall was explicit in his commentary that he doesn't defend Islam, and has nothing positive to say about it.

Saying the Ottomans treated Christian sites in the Holy Land with care isn't some kind of revisionist history. It's pretty well established fact, and is provable by those sites' continued existence in the 20th century.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 8:31 pm to
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Jordan “J.D.” Hall, once a prominent religious and political figure in Montana right-wing circles, was ordered earlier this month to pay more than $15,000 to the Sidney church he once led after a Richland County District Court judge found him guilty of felony embezzlement.

As part of a deferred sentencing agreement filed Sept. 10, Hall, who was ousted from Fellowship Baptist Church in 2022 amid claims of drug abuse, domestic violence and embezzlement, must also report to a probation officer and abstain from drugs and alcohol. He also may not own any weapons or enter bars or casinos, among other restrictions. If Hall complies with the terms of his three-year sentence, he will not be considered a felon.


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Posted on 6/23/26 at 9:31 pm to
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I don't know which religion did the most raping, but when the Muslims controlled Spain it was a much more tolerant country than when the Christians controlled it. Muslims let Jews stay and worship as they wanted. They also let Christians worship as they wanted. But when the Christians retook power, they destroyed mosques and synagogues and kicked out non-Christians. Well they didn't destroy all the mosques. The really nice ones were turned into cathedrals.

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This is Islamic propaganda by two uneducated barbarians who are deliberately trying to manipulate history. I will explain to you, in a long and historically accurate post, exactly how Muslim Turks treated Christians.

In the 1.300 years of Muslim-Arab slave trade, approximately a million Greek Christians were sold as slaves. I am Greek, so I will write you about how Islam and Muslim Turks treated Greek Christians.

On March 30, 1822, the Chios Massacre took place. The Muslim Turks slaughtered 42,000 Greek Christians: women, men & children. Additionally, 52,000 were sold as slaves in the markets of Smyrna & Constantinople.

On September 1, 1821, Samothrace was devastated by the Ottomans through a general massacre led by the Turkish Kara Ali. Approximately 10,000 men & boys were slaughtered. Women & children were sold in the markets of Constantinople & Smyrna (Holocaust of Samothrace).

On June 4, 1821, the Turks carried out a massacre against the Greeks of Kydonies in Asia Minor (modern-day Ayvalik). They did pogroms at shops and homes, looting them, while seizing women and children to sell as slaves. Simultaneously, they conducted a general massacre of the population, and the town was set ablaze and completely destroyed.

In Crete muslims carried chains with them to tie up Greek Christian women so they could take them away. They were enslaving and converting the Greek Christians of Crete for centuries.

For 300 years (1380-1680) the muslim Turks were stealing kids from their mothers. This was the most brutal thing humanity ever witnessed. They were waiting for women to birth, raise their kids, and then at the age of 8 were collecting the them. The devsirme known as "collection of children" or "blood tax" or in Greek as "paidomazoma". The devshirme was the greatest wound inflicted on Hellenism during the period of Turkish rule. The children who were seized were considered definitively lost. In Epirus, in fact, on the first Sunday after the abduction, their parents would go to church dressed in black, where a funeral service was chanted. In this service, the names of the children were read aloud as if they were dead. Once taken, boys were circumcised, renamed with Muslim names, and forbidden from contact with their families. They were raised as Muslims, effectively erasing their Greek cultural and religious identity to foster loyalty to the sultan.

After the Ottoman conquest of Crete (1669), local officials and governors began to oppress the Christian population in every way: killing, abducting and abusing women, demanding money, and preventing the performance of the subjects' religious duties.

We Greeks, called the Muslim Turks, "The grand masters of torture." In 1821, in Patras, they captured a father and son and, after impaling them, lit a fire and forced the other captives to roast them like lambs. Ali Pasha at that point was more inventive: When he impaled Christians, he forced their relatives to turn the spit, threatening that otherwise he would impale them too.

Immediately after the hanging of Patriarch Gregory V in Constantinople, the Turks hanged three metropolitans at various points in the city. However, one of them, the very elderly Metropolitan of Nicomedia, breathed his last before reaching the place of execution. Such, however, was the Turks' mania for revenge that they punished even the dead man by hanging his corpse.
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 9:32 pm to
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Just 65 years after the Fall of Constantinople (1453), Sultan Selim I Yavuz, grandson of Mehmed the Conqueror and father of Suleiman, decided to definitively abolish the Patriarchate of Constantinople during the patriarchate of Theoleptos I, and to slaughter all the subjugated Christians (rayah) of the empire who refused to convert to Mohammedanism. Just 65 years after the Fall of Constantinople, the Greeks of Thrace were collectively placed before the forced dilemma of either converting or being wiped off the face of the earth, that is, to suffer ethnic cleansing or genocide, as we would say today. Between those two barbaric options, the Greeks of Thrace (the ancestors of today’s Muslim Greeks of Thrace) chose ethnic cleansing at their own expense; that is, they chose to convert in order to survive as an ancient indigenous people, in the hope that at some point in the future their descendants would regain their national self-awareness and their religious independence, and would then voluntarily return to the bosom of the Greek Nation and of Greek Orthodoxy.

When the Greek Bishop Dionysios the Philosopher of Larissa organized a revolt against the Muslim Turks in 1611, which ended in failure, the Turks flayed him alive, stuffed his skin with straw, and paraded it from city to city. Three days later, the Turks also discovered -the Greek rebels- Deli Giorgos and Lambros. They burned Lambros alive, while they crucified Giorgos and, instead of a crown of thorns on his head, they drilled holes into which they placed feathers. Dionysios’s skin, together with the heads of 85 Greek Christian rebels, was sent to Constantinople, where it was thrown into the Sultan’s stables.

After the failure of Daskalogiannis’s uprising in Sfakia (Crete, 1770), the Turks captured him and flayed him alive, cut him in pieces and throw them in the fire and the dogs.

The Muslim Pasha of Thessaloniki, Abdul Abud, who had set as his goal the extermination of the Greeks, burned 120 villages and wiped out their inhabitants to the last one.

5.000 Greeks were massacred in Naousa, the rest were sold in slave markets, and the entire city was reduced to ashes.

The most common torture inflicted by the Muslims during the Ottoman period was whipping. The usual victims were the Christians. It was the introductory torment in every other torture, so common in the persecutions of Christians that the phrase became proverbial: "I will whip you until you change your faith."

The Janissaries faced no restraint in their behavior toward the Christians. They would even enter churches and desecrate them. And if they discovered a beautiful Greek girl, they would seize her from her parents in order to satisfy their lewd desires. For this reason, anyone who had a pretty daughter was forced to keep her locked inside the house, while most Greek women who lived in towns would wear a burqa when they went out, just like Muslim women.

The Janissaries also exterminate Christians without any reason, simply because they were Christians. Sometimes they executed them in cold blood in the middle of the road, just to test the accuracy of their weapons; other times to watch them writhe in their own blood; sometimes to make the abduction of a bride, right after her wedding, more dramatic; other times simply because the Christians were manly-looking, relatively well-dressed, or on horseback. In the latter case, the rayah would hurry to dismount upon seeing a Janissary, but the latter would draw his pistol and say: “Why did you dismount, you infidel dog? So you could make me ride instead?” And the rayah, Greek Christian, would fall dead.

During the Ottoman period, Muslims enjoyed performing all kinds of mutilations. Ears, noses, lips, tongues, breasts, and genitals were primarily cut off. Not just those, though. Let's recall here the newly-revealed Saint Raphael of Mytilene, who was hanged from a tree and had his lower jaw cut off, while the twelve-year-old martyr Irene was roasted in a barrel on the Tuesday of Easter in the year 1463, ten years after the fall of Constantinople.

Many times Christian captives were placed in front of cannons that were fired, turning them into human shreds of flesh. In other cases, they were tied to galleys that sailed in opposite directions and were torn apart. Dismemberment of victims also occurred with horses.

In Chios Massacre young girls were raped publicly in the streets, and newlyweds in front of their husbands, who were then slaughtered. Others were raped in front of their parents, after which the men's genitals were cut off. Women over 40 were set on fire and left to burn alive. Pregnant women had their bellies ripped open and their fetuses pulled out, while small children were thrown forcefully against rocks. The frenzy of the Muslims was unprecedented.

In 1822, Muslims also captured the wives of Zafeirakis and Gatsos. The wife of Zafeirakis was built into the wall up to the neck in the church of Hagia Sophia in Thessaloniki. Maria Karatasou, daughter of a priest refused to change faith, and for this Ebub Lubut enclosed her in a sack with deadly snakes, where she martyred.

Pouqueville describes in the darkest colors to the civilized world the dramatic scenes he saw with his own eyes there: “Many women naked were put up to the neck in sacks with cats, snakes, and mice…”.

The Greek Christian Woman, during the years when Greece was enslaved to the Muslim Turks, in order to avoid -as much as she could- the abhorrent dishonor from the barbaric Muslims, would destroy the youthful beauty of her face, or create a family from the age of fourteen, believing that she would not give birth to slaves.

On September 1955 in Constantinople 4,348 Greek businesses, 110 hotels, 27 pharmacies, 23 schools, and 73 churches were damaged or destroyed. The exodus of Greeks from Turkey, reduced the community of over 150.000 (who have already left from the Fall), to fewer than 2.000 today.

Muslims commited GENOCIDES and Islamized the Anatolia, Antioch and Seleucia.

From the Hellenism of the East (Thrace, Asia Minor, Pontus), around a million people were exterminated (1914-1924). In the Pontus region alone, 353,000 people were slaughtered. Because they stole our lands. Smyrna, Aydin, Kydonies, Prousa, Nicaea (Asia Minor region), Trebizond, Kerasounta, Samsounta, Oinoe, Paphra, Ordou, Amaseia (Pontus), provinces of Derkon, Metron, Herakleia, Myriophytou, Kallipoleos, Ainos, Tyrolois, Saranta Ekklision, Adrianople (Eastern Thrace).

On December 18, 1803, at Zalongo in Greece, a group of Greek Souliote women jumped from the cliffs, holding their children. They chose death over falling into the hands of Muslims, where they would face rape, abuse, and enslavement.

These are only some of the most recent and important events in Greek history. Of course there are thousands of books and primary sources about the Ottoman period and what happened to Christians in Anatolian Greeks and other Christian countries.

Bookmark this and repost it everywhere.

I am Homer Pavlos. A Greek, descendant of those who fought Islam and knows the history of his homeland.
This post was edited on 6/23/26 at 9:33 pm
Posted by MrLSU
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 9:45 pm to
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I have said it before and I will say it again right now. Tucker should start wearing a man dress and walk around with a heard of goats following him around everywhere


I am seriously wondering if he is about to announce he is converting to Islam. He seems like he is just weeks away.
Posted by RollingwiththeTide
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 9:46 pm to
I would say he is days away. Maybe even a few minutes.
Posted by MrLSU
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 9:59 pm to
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when the Muslims controlled Spain it was a much more tolerant country than when the Christians controlled it. Muslims let Jews stay and worship as they wanted.


Christians and Jews called dhimmis paid the jizya poll tax to Muslims for protection, which funded the state. This was pragmatic for Muslim rulers governing a Christian/Jewish majority initially then mob violence took over against Christians and Jews. Christians were deported to Northern Africa as slaves and there were numerous massacres of both Jews and Christians in Spain. If they didn't pay the jizya then they were either killed if they were Jewish or enslaved in Tunisa, Libya, Egypt, Algeria, or Morrocco.

It was far from a civil society.

Posted by CrystalPreserves
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 10:10 pm to
Most of you baws were eating from his hand for years and years.

He admits it’s a cult that he created, he bails on the entire movement, and now the maga people are confused AF and shellshocked that maga is crumbling from the inside.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 10:16 pm to
Other than that, really good treatment.
Posted by weptiger
Georgia
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 6/24/26 at 5:11 am to
Ok. Take issue with Israel, Shapiro, Huckabee et al, but pimping for the Muslims just seems like a bridge too far.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
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Posted on 6/24/26 at 5:23 am to
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Tell that fool


He seemed to be speaking the truth.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 6/24/26 at 5:24 am to
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Why are there very few if any Christian Churches and Christian faithful still living in the Muslim Middle East today?



There are going to be some aspects of the answer to this question that this board isn’t going to like.
Posted by KiwiHead
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 6/24/26 at 7:09 am to
Someone is lumping all the Muslims together in all of this. Some of it is true.

After Yarmouk in 636 the Arabs had control of Palestine, Syria, Lebanon and the Levant. Later they took Egypt. After the gained attempt to take Constantinople in the 730's, Christians andMuslim Arabs had a "detente" for about 300 years where there were agreements between the Church and the Arabs and the Holy sites. The Arabs had no desire to harass the pilgrims since they were making money through them. In Egypt they largely left the Christian population alone but did tax them and gave preferential treatment to Muslims in terms of business deals, so many Egyptians converted out of expediency.

Then......the Seljuk Turks came in. No one liked them. They shut down the pilgrimage routes and were pretty nasty to the Christians.....and Muslim Arabs who did not play ball with them. This led to the crusades which had two objectives. Wrest back the holy sites and to relieve pressure on Constantinople which was fighting constant invasion into Anatolia after the disaster an Manzikert. This was the age of Saladin. He and his successors taxed the crap out of Christians and harassed them.

Then came the Ottomans. They were a mixture of Greek and Turk from Anatolia who were Muslim. They conquered territory initially that was Muslim then they crossed into Europe and started taking Byzantine holdings. The Janissaries were selected male children from defeated peoples....think Vlad Dracula who were sent as tribute and forced to convert and be the personal bodyguard to the Sultan. By and large the Ottomans were pretty tolerant of Christians and Jews. Most of the Ottoman rulers starting with Mehmet were essentially Greek and Serbian due to intermarriage. Yeah the Turks turned the Hagia Sophia into a mosque but they did not screw with other churches in Constantinople or elsewhere unless there was an uprising, then they would lay waste to not just the churches but to the towns and cities. Ottomans thought of themselves as heirs to Rome. They referred to themselves as Rum. They were not interested in forced conversion, just obedience to their rule. Jews essentially came to run the bureaucracy of the Ottoman empire. Guys like David Ben Gurion were from Constantinople and his family had been in the administrative branch for generations before he became a Zionist and then PM of Israel later.

The taking of boys for service in the Janissaries lasted about 150 years ,maybe, because the Janissarries became a political problem for later Sultans as the Janissaries became something of a family affair with the children of Janissaries becoming Janissaries. They had a lot of power in the Ottoman Court.

This post was edited on 6/24/26 at 7:12 am
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 6/24/26 at 7:17 am to
This will be the tucktards new talking point

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Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 6/24/26 at 7:25 am to
I mean he bought property in Qatar cause hes a real american is what he said



Posted by Narax
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Posted on 6/24/26 at 7:28 am to
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I mean he bought property in Qatar cause hes a real american is what he said

I guess hes going to prove how straight he is by...
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 6/24/26 at 8:56 am to
Throughout the Levant and Egypt there are quite a few Churches. In Egypt Copts are largely left alone by the government,.... lots of churches, and had been for hundreds of years. Same in Assad's Syria. Iraq under Saddam could not care less about Christian v. Muslim. He had high ranking officials who were Christian including Tariq Aziz who was his VP. Saddam did not mess with the churches or the Christians unless they were getting out of line, which they did not. There are a few big cathedrals in Baghdad that are quite old. Lebanon until the 80s was actually majority Christian.

The big offenders of Christian discrimination are the Saudis, Yemeni, UAE, Kuwait, Pakistan and Qatar
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
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Posted on 6/24/26 at 9:00 am to
The Muslim conquest meets every criteria for the definition of genocide
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37952 posts
Posted on 6/24/26 at 9:14 am to
Dude, where are you getting your info from that Copts are persecuted? There is some violence, but the government is not behind that. al Sisi in particular has gone out of his way to make sure Copts live as unmolested as possible. There are some issues about the pace of church construction in Upper Egypt ( Southern) but in places like Cairo and Alexandria, they are pretty easy to find. Copts make up about 15% of the population.

Go back and check out on the Ottomans like Mehmet the Great. He was not some religious zealot. He had Christians in his army . Hell, he had Christian allies at Constantinople. The real problem Muslims are the Saudis and Pakistanis. Even the Iranians don't necessarily discriminate or persecute Christians. They don't make it easy to convert, but they aren't preventing Christians from going to church either.
Posted by Wraytex
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Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 6/24/26 at 9:24 am to
And there you have it, who bought out Tucker's mouth.
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