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re: Report: Russian 1st Guards Tank Army has been destroyed in Ukrainian counter-offensive

Posted on 9/13/22 at 2:40 pm to
Posted by TigerAttorney
Member since Nov 2017
4541 posts
Posted on 9/13/22 at 2:40 pm to
3 months radio silence. Ukraine has a good week or so, every pundit on TV omg omg omg they gained territory back. And they all say BUT things can change lmao

Then all winter we won’t hear anything.

We can’t supply Ukraine indefinitely. When we stop, the country will fall.

That’s a fact
Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
19808 posts
Posted on 9/13/22 at 2:40 pm to
I have to admit I still have a chip on my shoulder about the Russians after growing up with their bullshite as the USSR. My gut instinct is to wish them harm.
But now I see our government pulling the same sort of suppression of religious freedom, freedom of speech, control over information and attempts to shut down the Bill of Rights.
I just want the damn war to end and let people get back to living their lives. I feel bad for parents on both sides sacrificing their children for nonsense.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8169 posts
Posted on 9/13/22 at 2:40 pm to
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How on earth could the Ukrainians pull that off without AirPower?


Do you really want an answer to this?
Posted by doverstutts
Member since Jul 2017
1070 posts
Posted on 9/13/22 at 2:40 pm to
You believe that shite,huh?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104068 posts
Posted on 9/13/22 at 2:41 pm to
Plausible. Not sure it makes a difference.


US forces tend to be very specialized and good at certain tasks, making them hard to replace.

Russian units are interchangeable pieces. The 1st Guards Tank can be replaced by any other tank group.
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
157887 posts
Posted on 9/13/22 at 2:42 pm to
Sure. I’m not afraid to learn something new. Unless you are just looking for an opportunity to be an arse. If that’s the case then don’t waste your time. That’s silly.
This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 2:43 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 9/13/22 at 2:44 pm to
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Then all winter we won’t hear anything.
More fairy tales, to get us to send money.

Anyone believing the "official" narrative on this war is not to be considered a serious person. The propaganda is out of control.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85668 posts
Posted on 9/13/22 at 2:47 pm to
You should hire a lawyer to evict me from living rent-free in your head
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98132 posts
Posted on 9/13/22 at 2:47 pm to
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Do you really want an answer to this?



Yes and make sure we can confirm it unlike everything else you post
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
59280 posts
Posted on 9/13/22 at 2:48 pm to
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You know...it is possible that one could be rooting for the Russians to fail without really caring about Ukraine.




Poli Board rule 4652: You have to pick a side and then consider that side (and anything associated with it) to be the pinnacle of all that is good and holy while also considering the other side (and anything associated with it) to be the ultimate in evil and horror.
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
157887 posts
Posted on 9/13/22 at 2:48 pm to
Yeah. I didn’t think they would. No one does really.

Hope the family is well.

This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 2:49 pm
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
42083 posts
Posted on 9/13/22 at 2:49 pm to
Impossible

I was assured by the Political Board's General Staff that Russia was winning this war.
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
35576 posts
Posted on 9/13/22 at 2:49 pm to
The Billion Dollar Man Zelensky.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57864 posts
Posted on 9/13/22 at 2:51 pm to
The ghost of Ukraine doing work.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8169 posts
Posted on 9/13/22 at 3:19 pm to
This is a VERY high level summary of how it happened.

Ukraine has been fighting a defensive war since the start, since the 2nd phase of the war began back in the spring, their strategy has been to grind down the Russian forces by fighting a slow retreat making the Russians pay for every KM in blood.

They did this while they accumulated the combat power they needed to launch last weeks offensive. That preparation consisted of calling up, training, and equipping a large number of troops. It also gave the Ukrainians time to integrate the weapons that were being provided by the Western countries.

About two months ago, the US HIMARS long-range rocket artillery system made its appearance on the battlefield. This system gave Ukraine a capability it hadn't had before to hit Russian logistics hubs and command/control centers up to 50 miles behind the lines. The Ukrainians used this new capability very well and began taking out the Russian logistics hubs and infrastructure points. The Russian logistics are based on railways, if you want to cut off the supply spigot, you take out the railroads... that's what Ukraine did. At the same time they were hitting the railroads they also started focusing on Russian supply dumps. The Russian way of war relies very heavily on the massing of artillery, so Ukraine attacked Russia's supply of artillery ammo. Combined with the reduction in resupply caused by the hitting of the railroads, it has created supply issues for the frontline Russian troops.

The next thing that happened that shaped the situation leading up to the offensive last week was that Ukraine opened an offensive in the southern part of the country around Kherson. Kherson is strategically important as the doorway into Crimea. Ukraine, using HIMARS, cut all of the bridges in the area, trapping the Russian troops north of the river. Ukraine also started talking a lot about its southern offensive. Russia responded by pulling combat power out of the east and repositioning it to defend Kherson.

What was left in the East where Russia pulled the troops from were many lower-quality troops conscripted from the occupied LNR/DNR regions. There were a few top-tier units left in the east; however, most were like the 1st GTA that was mauled earlier in the war and were reconstituting their combat power.

Ukraine began building combat power up in the East back in August. There are many posts from Russian Telegram channels discussing the build-up.

So a week ago, the Ukrainians launched an attack into the weak flank of the Russian formations. Once you get past the front lines, there isn't much to stop you, just like when a running back breaks into the secondary.

There is reporting that the Ukrainians had an 8 to 1 advantage in manpower during the offensive. They simply overwhelmed the Russians and routed them.

Russia's air force has never achieved air superiority over the battlefield, which is one of the big questions of the war. Russia certainly has the advantage in the number of airframes it can bring to the fight. The answer probably lies in the vast number of MANPAD anti-air weapons provided to Ukraine. The Russians simply couldn't risk their airplanes.

ETA: Russia launched its invasion with about 75% to 80% of its available Army. It has been heavily attritted both in manpower and equipment. Russia has not "mobilized" its population, so Russia has had difficulty replacing its battlefield losses. Add to that the loss of heavy weapons that are hard to replace. Russia has massive equipment stores, but most of it is older stuff decommissioned years ago. I read an article the other day that there were getting ready to field WW2-era howitzers. The sanctions levied by the west have made it difficult for Russia to replace its equipment losses; that's why you are starting to see the reports that they are asking North Korea and China for equipment.

ETA: Throughout this war, Ukraine has been aided by the US intelligence apparatus. We've been providing them with real-time information throughout the war. The war planning that went into their offensive last week was developed with the assistance of the US.
This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 5:03 pm
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
42148 posts
Posted on 9/13/22 at 3:22 pm to
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Poli Board rule 4652: You have to pick a side and then consider that side (and anything associated with it) to be the pinnacle of all that is good and holy while also considering the other side (and anything associated with it) to be the ultimate in evil and horror.

Lol. OT Lounge rule: there can be zero questioning of taxpayer funds to Ukraine. If you have a problem with this, you're a Putin apologist.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
47168 posts
Posted on 9/13/22 at 3:24 pm to
China will resupply them with more tanks, I'm sure.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
44428 posts
Posted on 9/13/22 at 3:26 pm to
I don't believe anything I see or hear about this.
Posted by texn
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Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 3:27 pm to
Posted by ruffleforeskin
Member since Dec 2021
684 posts
Posted on 9/13/22 at 3:30 pm to
Shouldn't you in the OT thread jacking off with the rest of the trannies?
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