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re: Regrettably, the "Sadly, I will be Forced to Vote For Biden" Crowd is back on the PT.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:25 pm to partsman103
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:25 pm to partsman103
Tell that to this Kiwi twink. He’s about to self immolate in protest of The Bad Orange Man and all his dastardly bad and orange high crimes crimes and misdemeanors.
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Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:25 pm to wutangfinancial
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Considering the goal of the education system is to make you marketable in the workforce, yes.
No, the college educated demo. IIRC they voted bigly for Biden in 2020 and the GOP is losing them in the Trump era.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:26 pm to Lsupimp
So you've read God and Man at Yale?
I certainly would not consider PJ O'Rourke a political philosopher and I suspect he would shoot up your house for saying that if he were still alive. He was more of an observer and commentator on the seeming contradictions in our system
As to Kirk, he was interesting and The Conservative Mind was quite influential and formative. But I still think he relies too much on the Burkean. But he lost me when extolling the prowess of TS Eliot and he refused to properly excoriate Arthur Balfour.
....I'm surprised that a pimp such as yourself would be extolling the virtues of an elitist like Kirk who was very idiosyncratic in his writing, and more from the European school of conservatism.
I certainly would not consider PJ O'Rourke a political philosopher and I suspect he would shoot up your house for saying that if he were still alive. He was more of an observer and commentator on the seeming contradictions in our system
As to Kirk, he was interesting and The Conservative Mind was quite influential and formative. But I still think he relies too much on the Burkean. But he lost me when extolling the prowess of TS Eliot and he refused to properly excoriate Arthur Balfour.
....I'm surprised that a pimp such as yourself would be extolling the virtues of an elitist like Kirk who was very idiosyncratic in his writing, and more from the European school of conservatism.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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IIRC they voted bigly for Biden in 2020 and the GOP is losing them in the Trump era.
A significant part of Trump’s base is those who didn’t go to college. He loves the “poorly educated” for a reason.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:28 pm to c on z
Considering that Sheila Jackson Lee is "well educated", that's not the burn you think it is.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
Context.
Since Dreamy McMompants ran in 2008, the college educated demographic, in thrall to coastal ideas and progressive Boutiqueism, has gradually shifted , with fits and starts, to the Dems. That’s not something I would wear as a badge of honor. As Academia has become in thrall to bad ideas, so have those they indoctrinate.
Since Dreamy McMompants ran in 2008, the college educated demographic, in thrall to coastal ideas and progressive Boutiqueism, has gradually shifted , with fits and starts, to the Dems. That’s not something I would wear as a badge of honor. As Academia has become in thrall to bad ideas, so have those they indoctrinate.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:33 pm to c on z
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A significant part of Trump’s base is those who didn’t go to college.
It's also a significant portion of Biden's base.
One of the weirdest things politically in the last decade is the Dems going from championing blue collar workers to now looking at them with scorn. Also the Dems going from corporations are evil to now using corporations to do their dirty work.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No, the college educated demo
did you not read my post? Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:35 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Going to Yale and Virginia is considered being poorly educated now?
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:36 pm to Lsupimp
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That’s not something I would wear as a badge of honor.
Veering way off topic.
Do educated people in the professional class associate with educated people in the professional class more often? Typically
Is being seen as trashy a social benefit or detriment within these populations? Detriment
Is MAGA seen as being trashy by these types? Quite often.
You're trying to associate your valuation of these cultures instead of addressing what I stated (which has no judgment that you're trying to force into the discussion).
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:36 pm to Lsupimp
They can but I don't think it's going to help him this go around
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:37 pm to c on z
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Going to Yale and Virginia is considered being poorly educated now?
Depends on what you study. You can clearly see the results with Sheila Jackson Lee
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:37 pm to wutangfinancial
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did you not read my post?
I did. It did not address the demo I was speaking of, specifically, which was the educated, professional class. You brought up income, and I tried to work back to what I actually said.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:42 pm to Lsupimp
So there are lots of mamonni on this board on this board. Well, at least she is making sure you eat your vegetables.....does she still was your clothes and pay your phone bill?
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:46 pm to c on z
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Going to Yale and Virginia is considered being poorly educated now?
As if she "went" there. 
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:46 pm to Bass Tiger
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The vast majority of these frauds refuse to accept the fact MAGA/America First isn't about Trump and was never about Trump,
Facts not in evidence.
You know damn well some of the most ardent here do not handle any criticism of Trump well at all.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:47 pm to KiwiHead
FORWARDI read God and Man at Yale in 1985. International politics and law was my undergraduate degree. I have been a student of Leftist mass movements my entire life. Anybody who has posted here and paid attention know that.
PJ O’Rourke is a humorist obviously. Don’t be so literal.
Kirk did one thing better than anybody; and that was to make the case for personal morality in Conservatism. Buckley was far more accessible and the obvious philosophical Godfather of the modern Conservatism that bloomed in the postwar era, picked up steam with Goldwater and achieved orgasm with Reagan before beginning a steady decline into nothing particularly noteworthy.
I love Kirk. But also Burke, The Scottish enlightenment, the Austrian school, Hayak et al and into Libertarians like Rothbard and Von Mises. Doesn’t mean I agree with everything.
I am an anti- Leftist now. Particularly the psychological components of Leftism that binds them together. Like the unfortunate contempt for the common man that you and SFP revel in. That’s it. That’s how we beat back Cultural Marxist hegemony. Not by being political purists standing around arguing about tax rates screaming “ taxation is theft “. It may be so, but how does that help when Leftists are trying to cut our kids dicks off to move us all FORWARD!
PJ O’Rourke is a humorist obviously. Don’t be so literal.
Kirk did one thing better than anybody; and that was to make the case for personal morality in Conservatism. Buckley was far more accessible and the obvious philosophical Godfather of the modern Conservatism that bloomed in the postwar era, picked up steam with Goldwater and achieved orgasm with Reagan before beginning a steady decline into nothing particularly noteworthy.
I love Kirk. But also Burke, The Scottish enlightenment, the Austrian school, Hayak et al and into Libertarians like Rothbard and Von Mises. Doesn’t mean I agree with everything.
I am an anti- Leftist now. Particularly the psychological components of Leftism that binds them together. Like the unfortunate contempt for the common man that you and SFP revel in. That’s it. That’s how we beat back Cultural Marxist hegemony. Not by being political purists standing around arguing about tax rates screaming “ taxation is theft “. It may be so, but how does that help when Leftists are trying to cut our kids dicks off to move us all FORWARD!
Posted on 6/20/24 at 2:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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White trash culture (which is how the people I am talking about see Trump supporters)
They purposely dehumanize those who don't believe as they do, in order to portray themselves as making their decision from the moral high ground. Hypocritically, those are generally the loudest voices to chant about not judging others.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 2:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
So you understand the cognitive dissonance in believing that media narrative about MAGA voters all being low IQ rednecks? I seriously can't tell if you're just trying to explain how libs on the coasts think or if you believe it yourself.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 2:26 pm to Lsupimp
Do you have kids? I have an 18byear old daughter and my youngest son is 21 and they laugh at all the dick cutting and boobsmash and cut shite as do most of their friends. Is it a problem, yes especially for adolescent females......not nearly as prevalent for the males though. Note: Drag Queens are not Trannys and they are a whole other thing inside the gay community that even mainstream homosexuals do not like.
Personally, I've always thought Kirk while mostly correct was maybe a little too full of himself. You can keep the Austrians.....Hayek really did not do that much for me along with Von Mises.
It's not that I denigrate the common man. But, I don't necessarily extol their virtues either. The common man can be just as infuriating as the elite and as ignorant especially in a global view of things that does affect their lives. The " common man" is given to knee jerk reactions that border on the nihilistic at times along with an anger that at times borders on the nonsensical. The left is just as guilty although I would not call them nihilistic ....and I think it is a mistake to group them and label as Communists as so many on this board ignorantly do.
Look, Trump is not going to solve the societal/ cultural problems and "rot" of today. If anything he and his adherents will probably lead to an acceleration of the decadence that we face.....because on a certain level it's inevitable. He's not just a flawed messenger, the Bible and history are filled with flawed characters. He has no message overall ( neither does Biden for that matter) He's not interested in governing, nor or most of his sycophants......at least Democrats and RINO s are.
I think Buckley would keep more than an arm's distance from MAGA and Trump. He was always aware of the crazies in the "Conservative" movement and endeavored to minimize them, as was Goldwater who was very suspicious of the Preachers getting any influence in the movement.
Personally, I've always thought Kirk while mostly correct was maybe a little too full of himself. You can keep the Austrians.....Hayek really did not do that much for me along with Von Mises.
It's not that I denigrate the common man. But, I don't necessarily extol their virtues either. The common man can be just as infuriating as the elite and as ignorant especially in a global view of things that does affect their lives. The " common man" is given to knee jerk reactions that border on the nihilistic at times along with an anger that at times borders on the nonsensical. The left is just as guilty although I would not call them nihilistic ....and I think it is a mistake to group them and label as Communists as so many on this board ignorantly do.
Look, Trump is not going to solve the societal/ cultural problems and "rot" of today. If anything he and his adherents will probably lead to an acceleration of the decadence that we face.....because on a certain level it's inevitable. He's not just a flawed messenger, the Bible and history are filled with flawed characters. He has no message overall ( neither does Biden for that matter) He's not interested in governing, nor or most of his sycophants......at least Democrats and RINO s are.
I think Buckley would keep more than an arm's distance from MAGA and Trump. He was always aware of the crazies in the "Conservative" movement and endeavored to minimize them, as was Goldwater who was very suspicious of the Preachers getting any influence in the movement.
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