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Read the words of a Judge who shut down a church this week
Posted on 8/8/20 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 8/8/20 at 1:10 pm
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Ventura County Judge Matthew Guasco said that the public health arguments of Ventura appeal to him more than the First Amendment arguments of the church. Citing South Bay United Pentecostal Church v. Newsom, a similar case brought before the Supreme Court in May, Guasco said that he agrees with the court's decision that there should be a "balance between individual liberty and the government’s police power to protect the exercise of individual liberty if it threatens the public welfare and health."
“On a scale of 1 to 10 of the most immediate irreparable harm possible, this is a 10," he said. "It doesn’t get much more immediate or irreparable than the 0 that a lot of people are going to spread a contagious and deadly disease."
Should scare the hell out of every person in this nation.
And there should not be the need to explain why this is indeed scary.
while you slept, you became a ward of the state
Edit to include more of his words:
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“The Constitution is not a suicide pact," Guasco said. "The exercise of individual liberties has to be consistent with public health, otherwise the one would cancel out the other.”
This post was edited on 8/8/20 at 2:07 pm
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 1:13 pm to Jjdoc
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On a scale of 1 to 10 of the most immediate irreparable harm possible, this is a 10," he said
see this is why we shouldn't let arts majors pretend to do math
Posted on 8/8/20 at 1:13 pm to Jjdoc
Time to lock and load fellas
This post was edited on 8/8/20 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 8/8/20 at 1:16 pm to Jjdoc
Posted on 8/8/20 at 1:25 pm to Jjdoc
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On a scale of 1 to 10 of the most immediate irreparable harm possible, this is a 10," he said. "It doesn’t get much more immediate or irreparable than the 0 that a lot of people are going to spread a contagious and deadly disease."
So this logic and justification could be used to track you if you have COVId and lock you up if you refuse to quarantine.
They effectively justify suspending your rights for your own safety.
Posted on 8/8/20 at 1:31 pm to Jjdoc
I f it was legally possible it would be interesting to bring a petition before this same judge ordering there no gathering of over 10 people in the public streets to place the issue of rioting before him . No doubt he would deny the motion,after all rioting is righteous.His reasons for judgment as opposed to church gatherings would be interesting. However, to justify outside gatherings would open the door to outside worship services.
Posted on 8/8/20 at 2:12 pm to Jjdoc
quote:There is no right to public health. Judge is an idiot.
“The Constitution is not a suicide pact," Guasco said. "The exercise of individual liberties has to be consistent with public health, otherwise the one would cancel out the other.”
Posted on 8/8/20 at 2:15 pm to Jjdoc
Protesting against Trump is good
Assembly in a church- bad.
Isn’t it curious many voting stations are located in schools and churches. I wonder why there’s an active push to close them.
Assembly in a church- bad.
Isn’t it curious many voting stations are located in schools and churches. I wonder why there’s an active push to close them.
Posted on 8/8/20 at 2:18 pm to Jjdoc
so he shuttered all businesses, all public everything?
Posted on 8/8/20 at 2:21 pm to Jjdoc
Is a virus actually a “disease”. Cancer is a disease while I view Covid-19, flu, pink eye, etc. and other such things as a virus.
Posted on 8/8/20 at 2:23 pm to Jjdoc
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“The Constitution is not a suicide pact,"
It certainly is when you show favoritism towards Antifa and the BLM thugs. They are actually killing people because they are allowed to exercise their 1st Amendment right to protest. Not one single person has been harmed by churchgoers.
Posted on 8/8/20 at 2:26 pm to Jjdoc
Since my own risk tolerance is irrelevant can I go kayak the upper 5 on the payette or backcountry ski anymore since Karen thinks it's not safe?
Posted on 8/8/20 at 2:29 pm to TrueTiger
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The point can’t be emphasized enough that our nation arose during an era of widespread infectious disease and pandemics. The American Revolution indeed occurred during a global smallpox pandemic.
“In short, it is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or of any number of men, at the entering into society to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights, when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution, is for the support, protection, and defence of those very rights; the principal of which, as is before observed, are life, liberty, and property. If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up an essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right of freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave.”
"The liberties of our country, the freedoms of our civil Constitution are worth defending at all hazards; it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors. They purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood. It will bring a mark of everlasting infamy on the present generation – enlightened as it is – if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of designing men." Samuel Adams
This post was edited on 8/8/20 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 8/8/20 at 2:33 pm to Toomer Deplorable
This judge's "logic" is the same that let to the mass Japanese internment during WWII.
Posted on 8/8/20 at 2:40 pm to Jjdoc
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Guasco said that he agrees with the court's decision that there should be a "balance between individual liberty and the government’s police power to protect the exercise of individual liberty if it threatens the public welfare and health."
Yet that same argument could never be used to limit or end abortion even though it also "threatens the public welfare and health."
This post was edited on 8/8/20 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 8/8/20 at 3:13 pm to Jjdoc
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Read the words of a Judge who shut down a church this week
I'm torn on this...when I first heard that the Judge said that the immediate threat to public health out weighs the Constitution, I blurted out "WTF" BUT then I thought about it and to be consistent, if we find it illegal to yell "Fire!" in a theater falsly, then I can see the similar rationale. Limiting true free speech when it imminently risks public safety.
However...the debate comes down to whether or not the Covid risk is comparable to yelling fire. I feel strongly it is not but again I do see where you can make some fringe things which threatens, imminently, public safety that you can argue that the Constitution doesn't cover that level of "speech", I just don't think Covid compares to that in reality.
Posted on 8/8/20 at 3:18 pm to prattalumni
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Yet that same argument could never be used to limit or end abortion even though it also "threatens the public welfare and health
Yes the liberals are such hypocrites with the abortion debate...all we hear is "my body, my choice" then those same liberals will fight you if you want to take hydroxychloroquine for YOUR Covid bout.
Posted on 8/8/20 at 3:20 pm to Jjdoc
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there should be a "balance between individual liberty and the government’s police power
Very, very dangerous.
“Keeping you safe” is going to be very fertile ground for eroding the Constitution in the coming years. It already has been, reaching a new level with the Patriot Act after 9/11, but we are reaching new levels this year and we will be entering new territory in the years ahead.
These are perilous times. The left are taking notes.
Posted on 8/8/20 at 4:06 pm to Jjdoc
In the end we will comply with the wishes of the ninnies.
We truly are tough talking sheeple
We truly are tough talking sheeple
Posted on 8/8/20 at 4:09 pm to KiwiHead
The Flu, we’re talking about the Flu! The F’ing Flu. Not Ebola, the Flu. Not cancer, the Flu. The F’ing Flu
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