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re: Rand Paul: I can't support a bill with the largest debt increase in US history

Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:13 am to
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
133811 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:13 am to
Congress should send Trump a bill that does not increase the debt. That will get him.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
133811 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:15 am to
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Increasing the debt ceiling isn’t increasing the debt.


Anyway, the debt ceiling is just a joke. Really means nothing.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
150761 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:16 am to
You are on #teamRand
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
70711 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:16 am to
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A trillion seconds ago was 30,000 B.C.



Achktually, 28,000 BC.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
5803 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:17 am to
I love these.

If you stacked 36 trillion dollars in $100 dollar bills, it would be 24,431 miles high.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
131608 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:19 am to
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30,000 B.C.
Yeah, but the dollar was worth a whole lot more back then. Hell, you could hook up with a THOT Neanderthal in the nicest areas of an upscale cave for less than a buck.
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
23540 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:20 am to
I'm against this bill. Trump needs a humbling here. I'm still onboard with a lot that he's doing but I am more in tune with Elon funding a complete dismantling and rebuild of the GOP.

Rewrite it with no pork, all cuts. And if you can't do that, let it die and then revisit it after the mid-terms.

Strategy only works though if Elon funds the Republican Revolution.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
5490 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:22 am to
So you are against cuts to the Biden Budget?
Posted by zeebo
Hammond
Member since Jan 2008
5358 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:27 am to
growth of gdp is the most important factor.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:27 am to
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So he's voting against tax cuts and cuts to medicaid in the Biden budget.

Got it.



This is why we are fricked without a government overhaul.

Why the frick are these bills big gargantuan cluster fricks of bullshite? Why are these tax cuts, and the defense spending, and silencers being legal, among countless other things, all rolled into this big bazillion page bazillion issue cluster frick?
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
1583 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:27 am to
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sidewalkside

You tired of losing yet? I'm not tired of winning...
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
150761 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:29 am to
Congress needs to face questions from the public like the y grill witnesses.

Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
20919 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:29 am to
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So you are against cuts to the Biden Budget?

So you're for all the spending that remains in Biden's budget?
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
5490 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:31 am to
Again. We are operating under Biden's budget. This cuts that.


Here is the CBO...

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The House-passed bill would reduce the federal government's revenues by $3.67 trillion over a decade



This is not factual. Those tax cuts are already in place. This keeps them the same.


quote:

the CBO forecasted, while reducing spending by $1.25 trillion.




So it actually cuts spending.


quote:

The number of people in the United States without health insurance would increase by 10.9 million by 2034 due to policy changes in the House bill, the CBO said. Of that number, an estimated 1.4 million people would be undocumented immigrants who no longer would be covered in programs funded by the states.



And Rand KNOWS this.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
48901 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:32 am to
Rand is spot on. Congress is incapable of slowing down the out of control spending. Democrats simply refuse to do it and Republicans can’t agree enough to bypass the Democrats even when they have the numbers advantage.
This post was edited on 6/4/25 at 11:32 am
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
55030 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:32 am to
quote:

So he's voting against tax cuts and cuts to medicaid in the Biden budget.

Got it.


Why are they looped together?

STUPID

1 issue bills!!!!!!

I thought this is how we ended up with Johnson because the prior speaker kept doing this kind of big spending bills
Posted by BamaCoaster
God's Gulf
Member since Apr 2016
6280 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:32 am to
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BCreed1


The big beautiful bill is over 1000 pages.

Thanks for your three bullet points, but Rand’s point, and those of us who are critical thinking adults can understand, is that there is a lot of shite/pork in there, and as principled conservatives, he disagrees with the debt increase. As should you.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
5490 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:33 am to
quote:

So you're for all the spending that remains in Biden's budget?



Nope. I am not. Other things have to be done via rescission packages and the first is coming to congress this week.

That's due to the SENATE rules and Rand knows this. He's playing word games.

This cuts spending.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
5490 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:34 am to
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1 issue bills!!!!!!



Again... Rescission packages are the only venue to cut. That can not be included in this bill due to Senate rules.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Member since Jan 2011
69324 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:35 am to
[quote]Rand’s point, and those of us who are critical thinking adults can understand, is that there is a lot of shite/pork in there, and as principled conservatives, he disagrees with the debt increase. As should you.[/quote

Maybe im taking crazy pills, but are there people who actually dont think this way?
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