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Rand Paul among lawmakers opposing TikTok ban bills: ‘I think it’s a mistake’

Posted on 3/29/23 at 2:12 pm
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
15723 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 2:12 pm
I tend to agree with Rand on most things. If he's against it, we need to pay attention.

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“I think it’s a really bad idea. And people need to ask themselves, why does the Chinese government ban TikTok, and do we want to emulate the Chinese government? So I think it’s a mistake,” Paul said. “If you ban a social media platform, you know, I don’t know if you get any clearer that that goes against the First Amendment.”


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Paul’s opposition comes as bills have been introduced in Congress in recent months to directly ban the downloading and use of the app and to grant the Commerce Department the authority to review and possibly ban technologies linked to foreign adversarial governments.


No potential for abuse of power there.

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Paul mentioned that the court system already blocked an attempted ban from the Trump administration in 2020, and courts might block any potential ban again.

“I’m for the First Amendment to the Constitution, which says that companies that operate in the United States, we shouldn’t limit their speech, or people who try to broadcast speech on those platforms,” he said.




The Hill
Posted by m2pro
Member since Nov 2008
28621 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 2:13 pm to
As usual, he is exactly right.

I so wish we could all coalesce and vote for him and not even Trump or Desantis.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
36050 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 2:14 pm to
Bill is co-sponsored by John Thune and Mark Warner and supported by the White House. That alone should make any sane conservative a no vote.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
15476 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 2:15 pm to
Banning a foreign enemy, in any matter, is GOOD!

Social media
Land purchases
Trade Secrets
and so on.......
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
16234 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 2:19 pm to
Agree. End result will probably be a great firewall of America- similar to the great firewall of China. Except instead of everyone being hit with pro-nationalistic propaganda like China has, we'll be hit with anti-America/anti-Christian/anti-nonwoke/pro-woke/pro-lgbt propaganda.
Posted by JasonMason
Memphis
Member since Jun 2009
4655 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 2:19 pm to
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Banning a foreign enemy, in any matter, is GOOD!

Social media
Land purchases
Trade Secrets
and so on.......


All the info I've been reading on this bill makes it sound like the patriot act part 2. If the Apple and Google app store want to ban tiktok, I support it. I don't think we need any more invasions of our privacy by the government though.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 2:21 pm to
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“I’m for the First Amendment to the Constitution, which says that companies that operate in the United States, we shouldn’t limit their speech,


Which means the government can't force them to carry all content or punish them for disallowing particular content.
Posted by TheDude854
Member since May 2019
291 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 2:22 pm to
The call for banning TikTok reminds me of Animal House when Otter and Boone lament that their pledges were getting hazed. “They can’t do that to our pledges; only we can do that to our pledges.”

“They can’t spy on our citizens; only we can spy on our citizens.”
Posted by Helo
Orlando
Member since Nov 2004
4590 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 2:29 pm to
If it just banned TikTok that would be one thing but since when did the govt not take an opportunity to piggy back all their goodies on the back of something people can support.

It's called the Restrict Act and it appears to be pretty sinister in nature with some describing it as the Patriot Act on Steroids.

LINK
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
8721 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:13 pm to
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It's called the Restrict Act and it appears to be pretty sinister in nature


Yep, I understand the use of a VPN can get you plenty of prison time and goooooooooooooooooberment fines that are protected from a BR filing.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112484 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:15 pm to
Russell Brand agrees. Short story: 'Sure Tik Tok is collecting data on you....but so is everyone else.'

R.Brand...in today's show
Posted by RTRinTampa
Central FL
Member since Jan 2013
5532 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:17 pm to
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“They can’t spy on our citizens; only we can spy on our citizens.”


BINGO... TikTok won't give 3 letter agencies access is the real issue.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123929 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:30 pm to
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grant the Commerce Department the authority to review and possibly ban technologies linked to foreign adversarial governments.
Right. "Adversarial" is a subjective term.

Instead, grant the Commerce Department the authority to review and ban technologies linked to foreign governments which themselves ban similar technologies.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
56353 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:32 pm to
I think this is why they're pumping up the Gwyneth Paltrow trial - diversion from this.
Posted by Placekicker
Florida
Member since Jan 2016
8132 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:34 pm to
I agree totally with Rand. Look, Tik Tok sucks and has been used to poison the minds of our children, all by design. In China, it’s educational and uplifting.

Let’s look beyond banning Tik Tok and focus on the verbiage in this bill. Basically it gives them (folks in DC) cart Blanche to arrest anyone they feel is interacting with a foreign entity- selling, buying, etc…

Who’s a foreign entity that would get you arrested?? Why, anyone THEY name as one! This would be like the Patriot Act on steroids for the internet.
This post was edited on 3/29/23 at 3:36 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71809 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:38 pm to
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Rand Paul among lawmakers opposing TikTok ban bills: ‘I think it’s a mistake’


What a shock that Rand is spot on. Again.
Posted by Old Money
Member since Sep 2012
36375 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:50 pm to
We need better data privacy laws that apply to any and every company, or entity. Tiktok is just an easy scapegoat because China.

The fact is, their app and algorithm is much better at being engaging than what Meta, Snap, Google offer as alternatives currently.
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
28901 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:52 pm to
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I so wish we could all coalesce and vote for him and not even Trump or Desantis.


I early voted for him in 2016 and then he dropped out the next day before Texas even held their primary.

I’d vote for him or Massey before Trump or DeSantis.
Posted by AUHighPlainsDrifter
South Carolina
Member since Sep 2017
3086 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:53 pm to
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“I’m for the First Amendment to the Constitution, which says that companies that operate in the United States, we shouldn’t limit their speech, or people who try to broadcast speech on those platforms,” he said.


Yet another good reason not to allow Chinese companies to operate in the US
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26776 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:53 pm to
I'm not sure I have ever disagreed with Rand. A few times I questioned him, but after further research, he was right.

Same with Thomas Massie.

(I obviously have not studied every decision they have made, so I'm sure I would disagree with something. I doubt it would be something high profile.)

Kentucky has a couple of bad-arse legislators in DC.
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