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re: RACISM: The fact that black doctors don't have to meet the same high standards as white
Posted on 1/30/26 at 4:42 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 1/30/26 at 4:42 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Okay. I've not seen anyone asserting that. I must have missed it? But I believe you responded to me that way, and I've certainly not said that.
Many of the posts I responded to earlier in the thread explicitly stated that those 6 points (or potentially 25 percentile points) indicated a higher quality practitioner.
I will tell you this, the MCAT is a test where preparation absolutely helps. Someone mentioned earlier the advantage of tutoring, practice exams etc for MCAT prep which can result in relative testing overperformance for those able to afford it. That gets at concerns about any application process relying solely on testing.
e.g., If I am sitting on an acceptance committee considering two candidates:
(1) An applicant from a dirt poor background, no father at home, who made his own way through undergrad, who wants to go into medicine because he's watched his sibling struggle with chronic disease all her life, and
(2) An applicant from a wealthy family of doctors, who attended private schools from kindergarten on, has great recs from friends of his parent doctors, and outscored applicant #1 10 percentile on the MCAT.
#1 is getting my vote 10 out of 10 times. I don't care if #1 is a Black applicant from inner city Chicago, and #2 is White, or if #1 is a White hillbilly from Appalachia, and #2 is Black.
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Posted on 1/30/26 at 4:55 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:Yes and no.
The bottleneck is not medical school, its residencies.
Residencies you were applying for may be "bottlenecks" d/t the fact a ton of applicants wanted to enter your respective field and seek admission to the programs you were considering.
However, unsuccessful folks were not impeded in finding opportunities in lesser competitive fields, were they?
So all of your MS colleagues could likely have found some residency spot, which is different from the situation w/ MS applicants.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 4:57 pm to UtahCajun
quote:
this was created as a way of advancing minorities, rather than helping them catch up
This reasoning is just dumb as frick.
i agree, which is why i am disagreeing with it... perhaps you need to re-read my comment
Posted on 1/30/26 at 5:01 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Yes and no.
Residencies you were applying for may be "bottlenecks" d/t the fact a ton of applicants wanted to enter your respective field and seek admission to the programs you were considering.
However, unsuccessful folks were not impeded in finding opportunities in lesser competitive fields, were they?
So all of your MS colleagues could likely have found some residency spot, which is different from the situation w/ MS applicants.
I believe he is referring to the possible future expansion of medical schools to accept more applicants, which would create a bottleneck for residencies.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 5:06 pm to chRxis
quote:Perhaps, if you are somehow claiming a misinterpretation on what superficially appeared to be a ludicrously uninformed take, you need to restate your comment.
... perhaps you need to re-read my comment
Posted on 1/30/26 at 5:15 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
you need to restate your comment.
no, it reads pretty clear...
Posted on 1/30/26 at 5:18 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:Ah.
I believe he is referring to the possible future expansion of medical schools to accept more applicants, which would create a bottleneck for residencies.
Makes more sense.
Overall, residencies and med school grads will never be mismatched (IAW med school slots vs applicants) because the state could not afford it.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 5:19 pm to chRxis
quote:Then you're an uninformed moron.
no, it reads pretty clear...
Posted on 1/30/26 at 5:20 pm to JackieTreehorn
quote:
If a black person can't succeed in America in this age they are simply a lazy, extremely low IQ, worthless drain on society.
And given how many don't it really makes one rethink the safe old adage, "it's culture" that's the real problem. Eh, seems like cultural bankruptcy alone doesn't cut it as an explanation anymore.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 5:29 pm to 4cubbies
quote:
Getting good grades doesn't ensure someone will be a good practitioner, either
Technically, you are correct.
Ima go ahead and bet the odds though.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 5:30 pm to UtahCajun
quote:
Technically, you are correct.
Ima go ahead and bet the odds though.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 5:34 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:
There are so many problems with this statement. You are making a LOT of assumptions.
Of course I’m making assumptions…this is literally a made up hypothetical meant to illustrate a point
quote:
The idea that someone went to 4 years of college, in a hard science major, but now just doesn't have enough time to study for the most important test of their life is completely moronic.
Are you purposefully not trying to understand my point? I gave you a hypothetical which you choose to ignore.
Do you know when the MCAT is administered? Do you know some people do a gap year so that all they have to focus on 24/7 is one test? While others take it WHILE still taking these “hard science major” classes? Would you view the same score in these vastly different circumstances to be equivalent? Why do you hate context? Why did Texas Tech QBs never get drafted high?
quote:
Or that an applicant just on the other side of some imaginary economic line is able to just take off months at a time to study.
I gave you a hypothetical example assuming this to illustrate that not all scores are created equally. Why are you having so much difficulty understanding this?
quote:
Bro, that is some bullshite.
My sentiments exactly.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 5:35 pm to chRxis
quote:
i agree, which is why i am disagreeing with it... perhaps you need to re-read my comment
I did. Read like it read. Wasn't until later comments that you clarified you stance. That shoulda came first.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 5:37 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:
I understand that. Obviously the expansion of medical schools would include the expansion of residencies.
That’s idiotic. Increasing the flow proximal to the bottleneck without FIRST widening the bottleneck will have 0 effect on the number that reaches the other side.
We don’t even know IF we need more medical school spots until residency spots are increased.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 5:39 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Yes and no. Residencies you were applying for may be "bottlenecks" d/t the fact a ton of applicants wanted to enter your respective field and seek admission to the programs you were considering. However, unsuccessful folks were not impeded in finding opportunities in lesser competitive fields, were they? So all of your MS colleagues could likely have found some residency spot, which is different from the situation w/ MS applicants.
That is true, but as long as applicants have the ability to choose their specialty, there will still be an overall residency bottleneck. To be clear, I’m not even arguing we need all of this to increase drastically, I was just responding to a poster who was.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 6:53 pm to UtahCajun
quote:
Wasn't until later comments that you clarified you stance
it was clear to others... sorry it wasn't clear to you, but glad you got it...
Posted on 1/30/26 at 6:54 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Then you're an uninformed moron
considering the source....
Posted on 1/30/26 at 7:38 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Quote: Being a physician is more interacting with humans, than being able to remember the citric acid cycle.
You are spot on. It is very obvious from the responses that very few have worked in or near the medical profession. Most of these posters couldn't distinguish a Krebs Cycle vs a Crab Cycle if their life depended on it.
You are spot on. It is very obvious from the responses that very few have worked in or near the medical profession. Most of these posters couldn't distinguish a Krebs Cycle vs a Crab Cycle if their life depended on it.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 7:40 pm to 4cubbies
quote:
I know we aren’t concerned with honesty or accuracy here
I respect the fact that you honestly included yourself in that statement.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 7:41 pm to Ailsa
We’ve all seen it for 50 years. We know.
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