re: RACISM: The fact that black doctors don't have to meet the same high standards as white

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Mediocre white men are terrified of having to compete with minorities.

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I literally laughed out loud at that nonsense.

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and even lawsuits.

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That's because if it's due to the color of someone's skin, it's illegal.

You realize that, right?

Colleges are good at obfuscating that and it's hard to prove, but if they admitted it, they would be admitting violating the law.

You know that, right?

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Probably increased your life span by a few moments because of that chuckle.

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Yeah, laughter is good for you.

Are you sure you're not a doctor?

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Are you sure you're not a doctor?

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Getting closer.

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4cubbies

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You are a horrible person all the way around.

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Just gloss over the blatant hypocrisy

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No, that's what you just tried to do by gaslighting people who feel like they were racially discriminated against filing lawsuits.

It's illegal to turn someone down for an opportunity like that because they're black, and it's also illegal to turn someone down for an opportunity like that because they aren't black.

And unless they aren't going to cap enrollment, when schools accept black applicants with poorer test scores and applicants of other races don't get a slot because of that, by definition, that's what's happening. If they had had the same scores and been black, they'd have gotten a slot.

I know they've pretty much indoctrinated you in whatever program you're in to think in terms of collectivism and inter sectionalism like a fish breathing water, but if you give it five minutes thought you will see that a society can't function that way.

In matters of law and judgements—especially judgements about individual performance—a collectivist model is incoherent. People have to be judged individually, just like MLK jr said. On their actions and the content of their character, not the color of their skin.

You'll say that is "hypocrisy" because black people weren't judged that way 60, 70, 100 years ago. I guess it would have been for anyone saying what I am saying 60, 70, 100 years ago. But I'm not saying it 60, 70, 100 years ago. I'm saying it today.

Today, the biggest impediment black students face to earning advanced degrees is not admission to schools. It's the fact that 70+% of black children grow up in single parent homes, and the research clearly shows that children in two parent homes are twice as likely to earn advanced degrees as children in single parent homes.

But nobody wants to talk about that.

Least of all, someone who agrees that women are justified in opting out of two parent households.

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What limited slot did Trump take away from someone else who was objectively more deserving because he was rich or white or male

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Any seat at any of the elite schools he went to.

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They've indoctrinated you so much that you think everyone is a collectivist intersectionalist like yourself.

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Yet you’re the only person insisting on even using that word.

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Some people understand the world in terms of relating to each other as individuals, not as members of a group.

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Is that why you keep lumping me in with “them” and “they” and “intersectionalists”? You’re not even trying to make sense.

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Any seat at any of the elite schools he went to.

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How is that true? How wold that seat not have been taken by someone else who was white, rich, and male? That's what "elite" schools are, are they not?

Besides, what do you know about Trump's test scores? How do you know he wasn't "deserving" of a seat?

I'm not obsessed with Trump, so I don't know what prep school he went to in sixth grade or whether there is a claim out there that his grades sucked but his father paid off the school to accept him anyway. If there is credible evidence of any of that then I condemn breaking the law with that sort of corruption just like I condemn breaking the law for making admission decisions based on race.

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Yet you’re the only person insisting on even using that word.

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This low IQ tactic again. "If I don't say the word 'intersectionalism,' no one can accuse me of holding that philosophy."

Why do you think that's any kind of valid argument? Explain it to me.

I'm a conservative. But that's the first time in this thread I've said that word. Does that mean I wasn't a conservative before I said it? If I hadn't said it and you had told me I was conservative, could I honestly have denied it? Is there really no way for anyone to figure out that I'm a conservative based on my consistent interpretations of ideas?

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Is that why you keep lumping me in with “them” and “they” and “intersectionalists”?

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It's because everything you post reeks of the standard indoctrination of graduate students these days, and and you ARE a graduate student, so it's kind of like the very obvious common sense of listening to someone you know is a member of the Republican Party interpreting current events in terms of common Republican talking points and concluding that they are a Republican.

But hey, we can dispel all of my assumptions very easily. Let's do it. let's not infer anything or take anything for granted.

Just tell me why a black applicant should be admitted to medical school before white applicants who have higher test scores.

Before you do, here's a short, simple definition of intersectionality:

"Intersectionality is the idea that social identities overlap, and those overlaps shape how people experience inequality."

And since intersectionality is the map for and the other side of the coin of identity politics, let's define that one too: "Identity politics is politics organized around who people are — race, gender, ethnicity, religion, sexuality, nationality — and what those identities are believed to require politically."

And finally, here's collectivism vs individualism:

Collectivism is the belief that the group is the primary unit of moral value and social organization.

Core ideas

Group goals take precedence over individual goals
Individuals are defined largely by their membership in groups
Social outcomes matter more than individual outcomes
Responsibility is shared across the group

Individualism is the belief that the individual is the primary unit of moral value and social organization.

Core ideas

Individual rights come before group goals
Personal autonomy and freedom are paramount
People are responsible for their own choices and outcomes
Society should minimize constraints on individual action

So answer the question (even if you already have over the course of the thread, please, as we need all of this in one place in order to find out if I am mischaracterizing your argument) and let's see if I am making unfounded assumptions.

If I am, I'll apologize.

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I'm not obsessed with Trump, so I don't know what prep school he went to in sixth grade or whether there is a claim out there that his grades sucked but his father paid off the school to accept him anyway.

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Same.

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This low IQ tactic again. "If I don't say the word 'intersectionalism,' no one can accuse me of holding that philosophy."

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post evidence of me alluding to intersectionality in this thread. I haven’t made any implicit or explicit references to that framework. If anyone did, it would be medicalgrind when he claimed that SES could impact a person’s ability to achieve higher MCAT scores, which makes total sense and doesn’t cause me to scoff.

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It's because everything you post reeks of the standard indoctrination of graduate students these days, and and you ARE a graduate student, so it's kind of like the very obvious common sense of listening to someone you know is a member of the Republican Party interpreting current events in terms of common Republican talking points and concluding that they are a Republican.

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A non-traditional graduate student who lives off-campus and has an extremely rich and BUSY life outside of my graduate program. You portray me as a 25 year old hanging out on campus philosophizing about the patriarchy or white supremacy when I’m not in class. I WISH I had that luxury! I barely find time to engage with my academic work at all, and none of it has anything to do with intersectionality.

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Just tell me why a black applicant should be admitted to medical school before white applicants who have higher test scores.

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assuming every single other thing about each of their applications was identical, s/he shouldn’t.