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re: President Biden just pledged to shut down 60% of America’s electric power (MSN)
Posted on 12/11/23 at 3:26 pm to Powerman
Posted on 12/11/23 at 3:26 pm to Powerman
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Because for a consumer that is looking to throw some panels in their house it's a lot of money up front. I don't think rooftop solar makes much sense but utility scale solar is helpful. And yes it's cheaper than coal.
So, they need subsidies because it's expensive but it's actually cheaper? What a bunch of shite. Installation costs would be handled like all free market product sales if it were cheaper in the long run. Building a house is MUCH more expensive than solar panels and the govt doesn't subsidize my house being built. The subsidies for solar have doubled in the last 2 years.
It's up $14 Billion a year.
In Australia the govt attacks on cheaper coal and shift to expensive solar have doubled the energy bills of households and the public is getting pissed.
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Posted on 12/11/23 at 3:27 pm to Warboo
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That is about as far from the truth as Biden being competent and not corrupt.
Feel free to look it up
You've proven you don't know much about anything energy related in this thread so maybe you should brush up on some things
Posted on 12/11/23 at 3:29 pm to Zach
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So, they need subsidies because it's expensive but it's actually cheaper? What a bunch of shite
For rooftop applications yes. Just as it would be a huge up from cost to install your own personal coal fired plant for just your house which is obviously not practical.
Utility scale solar farms are more cost effective than building new coal fired plants.
If you don't know this it's not my problem.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 3:32 pm to AwgustaDawg
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Fusion is also going to happen if we manage to remain a cohesive nation which can collectively pay for the R&D until such time as it becomes profitable and therefore of interest to the private sector.
Just another 50 years (or so).
In all seriousness it is the future, I just hope they don't keep dumping money into the overly-expensive, unsustainable models such as Tokhamaoc.
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 12/11/23 at 3:40 pm to Powerman
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For rooftop applications yes. Just as it would be a huge up from cost to install your own personal coal fired plant for just your house which is obviously not practical.
Hey, you're right. It would also be very expensive for me to install my own personal natural gas well for just my house. I guess I'd better stop using gas now and just get subsidized solar energy and let the taxpayers take care of it.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 3:46 pm to TNoon
Imagine a woman like Powerman not being able to charge her iphone.
She's going to be pissed off.
She's going to be pissed off.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 3:47 pm to Zach
Do whatever you want. I don't care. But I'm telling you solar doesn't need subsidies. Not for utility scale.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 3:49 pm to Nosevens
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This will change even the lowest form of democrats minds
I can promise you that they could read this article and 100 other identical articles and it would not change their minds.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 3:51 pm to TN Tygah
Presumably because they know the shite won't happen
Only crazy people think this is a possibility
Only crazy people think this is a possibility
Posted on 12/11/23 at 3:55 pm to TNoon
quote:Coal and NatGas are not the same.
Coal still provides roughly 20% of our electric power; natural gas supplies around 40%.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 3:55 pm to Powerman
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Utility scale solar farms are more cost effective than building new coal fired plants.
Do you know why that is? I will give you a hint(govt. policies). On a free market without govt. policies it is not even close. Also, the coal plant produces 24/7. You are quite the mensaman I can tell
Posted on 12/11/23 at 5:46 pm to AwgustaDawg
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China is building plants at a rate that makes a Taco Bell franchisee envy.. you do the math on what this means.
Spoiler: We are fricked
Yes, it would be FANTASTIC if Americans were more like the Chinese and either did not have a voice in what goes on in their backyard OR when they did were simply eliminated. It would also help matters immensely if it weren't for all these damned market forces we have to contend with in the US that Chine does not have to contend with domestically....they simply take the money from the people and do what they are going to do. That is the dream of every politician who ever asked for a vote in the United States HOWEVER they have to put up with all of these damned mouthy Americans who kind of like keeping some of their shite for themselves....but yes, China is the model of efficiency we should be aiming for...
You reply to the wrong post? That babble has nothing to do with my statement.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 6:11 pm to Powerman
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The government is spending federal money for more nuclear infrastructure
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The number of operating reactors declined to 104 in 1998 and remained there through 2013. The number declined to 92 operating reactors in 2022. Total U.S. nuclear net summer electricity generation capacity peaked in 2012 at about 102,000 MW and declined to 94,765 MW in 2022.Aug 24, 2023
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The Civil Nuclear Credit Program is a $6 billion strategic investment through the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law (BIL) to help preserve the existing U.S. reactor fleet and save thousands of high-paying jobs across the country.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 6:13 pm to Powerman
quote:which currently produces less energy than 10 years ago. Try again
They allocated 6 billion to preserve existing nuclear infrastructure.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 6:17 pm to Powerman
Biden and his administration are all morons. he won't be in office much longer so his plan is nothing but hot air. something he and Kamala are full of.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 6:19 pm to Powerman
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That's the most sensible answer and I don't even care if it has to be subsidized.
I agree, but the money isn't the big issue. The time to build the plant is the big issue. It takes what, five years or more?
They better get to building.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 6:28 pm to Powerman
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No one is rushing to build coal plants right now anyway so this has essentially 0 impact.
It does when they keep pushing to shut down old ones
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:15 pm to Powerman
There's too much risk in nuclear, and it has nothing to do with daily operation of the plants.
Visualize a nonstate actor unleashing a 9-11 style aerial assault on nuclear power plants across the land. No way even the most well-constructed nuclear power plants can wage a fair fight vs supersonic jets.
Visualize a nonstate actor unleashing a 9-11 style aerial assault on nuclear power plants across the land. No way even the most well-constructed nuclear power plants can wage a fair fight vs supersonic jets.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:20 pm to TNoon
Imaging being a relatively successful 74 year old man like VOR and supporting this. Pathetic!
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:41 pm to TNoon
This Biden American Dream is bullshite rationing our electric so what Elites can have their dream and their greedy existence and the rest of the American Slaves get shite!
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