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re: President Biden just pledged to shut down 60% of America’s electric power (MSN)

Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:48 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:48 am to
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Obviously solar doesn't make sense everywhere.


Which is why I would prefer pretty much any alternative.




So lovely.
Posted by ithad2bme
Houston transplant from B.R.
Member since Sep 2008
3687 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:49 am to
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That's the most sensible answer and I don't even care if it has to be subsidized.


We should subsidize it just like renewables, which are heavily subsidized to make them cost competitive.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173799 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:50 am to
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We should subsidize it just like renewables, which are heavily subsidized to make them cost competitive.

Renewables don't need subsidies anymore to be cost competitive and they should go away. Nuclear is very expensive and could benefit from subsidies. We've made some investments but not enough for my liking.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104096 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:54 am to
Shut down all transmissions to California.

The rest of the nation should be fine.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173799 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:54 am to
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So lovely.

Dude most of those arrays are in the middle of nowhere. I don't see it as the eye sore that you see it as.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173799 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:55 am to
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Shut down all transmissions to California.

California is the lifeblood behind our national economy

This is stupid
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:59 am to
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Shut down all transmissions to California.


LA and SF should have tiny populations relative to what the land can support.

Ironically one of our most environmentally cults is the State of California which profited by massive overpopulation.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
35956 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:00 am to
There is zero environmental argument against the newest generation clean NG plants that holds up at all.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:01 am to
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Dude most of those arrays are in the middle of nowhere


So could Coal, hydro, nuclear... and take up less space.



Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104096 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:02 am to
People don’t seem to realize why the Moscone and Harvey Milk shootings were so important.

Not that the politicians died but that Dan White being compelled to resign after being financially ruined flipped the control of the board of supervisors there from the same but lefty to the arse licking weirdos who have been flushing it down the toilet ever since.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
14068 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 11:52 am to
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The reason we don’t have this everywhere now is because these crazies that want “clean energy” fought against nuclear years ago. And when you bring it up to them again as an option, they still think nuclear plants would be the built the same with the same technology as they were in the 1960s.


Go to the reddest county in the reddest state in the US. Schedule a town hall meeting. When all of them Republican Voters show up inform them you are planning on building 2 nuclear reactors in their county. You might want to hire some armed guards first. No one, regardless of the political leanings, wants a Nuclear Power Plant in their backyard. The industry is to blame for the most part...we will climb a tree to skirt a requirement when we could stand on the ground and comply. Nuclear power in the United States has the best safety record of any industry in the nation and it ain't remotely close because the NRC is a TYRANT amongst regulatory agencies...and they have to be because of our propensity in the industry to circumvent regulations when we can comply easier and cheaper. The press convinced a bunch of Americans that incidents like 3 Mile Island indicated the industry was unsafe when 3 Mile Island and other incidents proved that the system worked to perfection. The same group of Americans who are convinced that they are in constant peril bought that tripe and here we are. It is people on both sides of the aisle who do not want a nuke in their back yard. Or a coal burner or a natural gas plant for that matter...the latter, though, are relatively small and unobtrusive so they do not get the same attention.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
14068 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 11:56 am to
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There's too much risk in nuclear, and it has nothing to do with daily operation of the plants.

Visualize a nonstate actor unleashing a 9-11 style aerial assault on nuclear power plants across the land. No way even the most well-constructed nuclear power plants can wage a fair fight vs supersonic jets.


They certainly could...what is it that one thinks would happen? There'd be a loss of a producing plant and that's it. It'd be a mess but it would not be a catastrophe the way many imagine it would be.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
14068 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 11:58 am to
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nuclear is impossible to build now. Prohibitive regulation. It’s the obvious answer but it won’t happen



Southern Company JUST put one on line in July of last year and another will be online by the end of next year. Regulatory restrictions in the industry are vastly over stated. The real and true road block is the public not wanting one in their backyard.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:00 pm to
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not wanting one in their backyard.


Unfounded fear among people. Hopefully soon people will have micro reactors in their neighborhoods.

Just gotta get past the stigma.
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 12:01 pm
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
14068 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:07 pm to
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This person works for the power company… personally never worked on a solar farm. Either way, we have plants we spent millions probably more on Scrubbers for the coal plants and now we want to get rid of them. Also was told Coal is regulated how much the companies can charge. Wind, solar, maybe gas are not.


All power generated in the United States is price controlled by various entities at the state level. They face limited competition in exchange for that control because the market can not react fast enough for price hikes to impact the economy to the point that it would shut down.
Posted by Steadyhands
Slightly above I-10
Member since May 2016
7155 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:26 pm to
This plan is anti-America and the sooner this pos goes, the better.

However, your quote is a false statement...
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did not think he could payback student loans but he did


This has not happened and isn't even anticipated to happen.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:30 pm to
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There's too much risk in nuclear


If you far left enviros hadnt had your way in the 70s, climate change wouldnt be an issue right now.

We should have built dozens of nuclear plants across the country, your atmosphere would haver less CO2 today.

Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173799 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:37 pm to
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Hopefully soon people will have micro reactors in their neighborhoods.

You've just confirmed you don't know how any of this works
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:41 pm to
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You've just confirmed you don't know how any of this works


A single unit typically generates 1 to 10 megawatts-electric.

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To put this in perspective, a single megawatt of electricity can power approximately 1,000 homes. That means these systems could provide up to 10,0000 homes with clean power—24 hours a day, 7 days a week—for 10 years without stopping!


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The U.S. Department of Energy is partnering with a number of microreactor developers to help bring these innovative designs to market.


LINK

Youre doing a good job portraying the Dunning-Kruger Effect

LINK

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Scientists at the US government laboratory which developed the first atomic bomb say nuclear power plants smaller than a garden shed and able to power about 20,000 homes will be available within the next five years. The miniature reactors will be factory-sealed, absent of any weapon-grade materials, and also have no moving parts.


Government just dumped a bunch of funds into pushing these things.
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 12:45 pm
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173799 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:44 pm to
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A single unit typically generates 1 to 10 megawatts-electric.

Irrelevant to why you're ignorant here buddy but feel free to dig your heels in.
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