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Politico: FL public schools face staggering enrollment declines; school choice working

Posted on 5/26/24 at 7:47 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
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Posted on 5/26/24 at 7:47 pm
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Gov. Ron DeSantis and Florida Republicans have spent years aggressively turning the state into a haven for school choice. They have been wildly successful, with tens of thousands more children enrolling in private or charter schools or homeschooling.

Now as those programs balloon, some of Florida’s largest school districts are facing staggering enrollment declines — and grappling with the possibility of campus closures — as dollars follow the increasing number of parents opting out of traditional public schools.

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Education officials in some of the state’s largest counties are looking to scale back costs by repurposing or outright closing campuses — including in Broward, Duval and Miami-Dade counties. Even as some communities rally to try to save their local public schools, traditional public schools are left with empty seats and budget crunches.

Since 2019-20, when the pandemic upended education, some 53,000 students have left traditional public schools in these counties, a sizable total that is forcing school leaders to consider closing campuses that have been entrenched in local communities for years.

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In Broward County, Florida’s second-largest school district, officials have floated plans to close up to 42 campuses over the next few years, moves that would have a ripple effect across Fort Lauderdale and Hollywood.

The district has lost more than 20,000 students over the last five years, a decline that comes as charter schools in particular experienced sizable growth in the area. Enrollment in charters, which are public schools operating under performance contracts freeing them of many state regulations, increased by nearly 27,000 students since 2010, according to Broward school officials.


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If your product is better, you’ll be fine. The problem is, they are a relic of the past — a monopolized system where you have one option,” Chris Moya, a Florida lobbyist representing charter schools and the state’s top voucher administering organization, said of traditional public schools. “And when parents have options, they vote with their feet.”

Enrollment among charters has increased by more than 68,000 students statewide from 2019-20 to this school year, according to data from the Florida Department of Education. More than a third of that rise happened in Broward, Duval and Miami counties alone.


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It's just insane to me that there are a significant chunk of right-leaning posters on this board, such as jake88 and lsufanhouston, who are so opposed to this kind of legislation in Louisiana.

These enrollment declines in florida are going to kill the teachers unions there, which means fewer dollars flowing to the democratic party, and fewer women teachers becoming democrats.

Why is that a bad thing?

Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
6699 posts
Posted on 5/26/24 at 7:50 pm to
*Shrug* Public Schools and teachers brought this on themselves.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 5/26/24 at 7:58 pm to
8% of the enrollment of the three school districts
Posted by momentoftruth87
DeSantis Country
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 5/26/24 at 7:58 pm to
I’m all for school choice. My dilemma is all the new schools and money that they’ve received since covid thru the govt and taxes. Was talking to my brother the other day and most of my hometown have seen 100% increases in property taxes.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/26/24 at 7:59 pm to
That’s a huge problem.

They’ll raise assessments to make up lost funds. That will have to be addressed by the legislature.
Posted by SuperOcean
Member since Jun 2022
3388 posts
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:03 pm to
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Shrug* Public Schools and teachers brought this on themselves.


I agree. There is. Lack of personality
Professionalism and there is a waste of money... But it's going to suck hard in the short and mid term time frames. School commutes are going to double + in time , and good teachers could bolt, and if they do then you are going to have crappy teachers teaching a more diverse class room and there will be a bidding war to move up/off the wait list for private schools
Because therev isn't enough space. My kids are on a wait list. Friends kids are 200+ on a wait list.

That being said, it's not all the teachers fault... There are crappy parents that are doing litter more than baby sitting their kids. I would say after the first yr of middle school experience... Most of the progressive non binary crap is peer instituted.
Posted by momentoftruth87
DeSantis Country
Member since Oct 2013
73497 posts
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:04 pm to
Funny thing is most haven’t even been assessed, just a huge raise from projects. Wait till they do though after homes in the area have went up about $100k since 2015. At first I thought he was bullshitting me but I looked it up, then saw more outcry, and looked theirs up.
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29798 posts
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:07 pm to
This is awesome - props to DeSantis for making education better in Florida!!!
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
68966 posts
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:07 pm to
Good, destroy teacher's unions.

They wrecked public schools and they only support democRats.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
35244 posts
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:07 pm to
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They’ll raise assessments to make up lost funds.


Wouldn’t the public have to vote on this?
Posted by livinforgmday
Member since Dec 2014
180 posts
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:11 pm to
Why not just turn over the campuses to new charter schools. The demand for education is the same, it's just in a different form.
Posted by momentoftruth87
DeSantis Country
Member since Oct 2013
73497 posts
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:16 pm to
It was voted on but wasn’t expected to raise 100%.
Posted by TigerAllNightLong
Member since Jul 2023
381 posts
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:23 pm to
Public school systems have become a local repository of communist apparatchiks to be used by the Democrat Party.

Looking at you LP…
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99877 posts
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:32 pm to
This makes me happy
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:51 pm to
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Wouldn’t the public have to vote on this?


Not if they’re just increasing the value the property.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
35244 posts
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:56 pm to
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Not if they’re just increasing the value the property.


But that’s still not the school system (even though they get the money from increased property values).

The post made it seem as though the school system could arbitrarily raise taxes.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
63044 posts
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:56 pm to
On the one hand, I'm in favor of a strong public school system. It's fair for everyone and everyone is given an equal opportunity.
However, leftists are not satisfied with this, for they believe that equal opportunity is not good enough or it's racist or something.
Further, the object of education of the children is no longer paramount for leftists. It's an indoctrination of leftist and immoral minds.
Good riddance, I say. Leftists you have no one to blame but yourselves.
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
12993 posts
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:59 pm to
Public schools have no discipline. It’s like sending your kids to a prison yard every day to be preyed on. Anyone who loves their kids would send them to a smaller and safer school where they can actually learn.
This post was edited on 5/27/24 at 10:49 pm
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
52046 posts
Posted on 5/26/24 at 9:37 pm to
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However, leftists are not satisfied with this, for they believe that equal opportunity is not good enough or it's racist or something.


The identity politics of Leftists mean they constantly have to move the bar in order to find new groups to identify as victims. In this instance, the bar they've moved is the demand for equality morphed into a demand for equity. Equality is equal opportunities, equity is equal outcomes.

In other words, Leftists believe that if some population they see as marginalized isn't equally represented among a certain group, then that can be only due to racism/sexism/whateverism. In those cases they believe that equal representation must be forced (equity).
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25999 posts
Posted on 5/26/24 at 9:48 pm to
Here is the irony.

Charter schools are public schools that do not have to adhere to state school standards.
Those are the school standards that would be championed by the governor and state legislature.

Charter schools get exemptions from those state laws/standards.

If the issue with Florida schools is the governor and state legislature, then the Charter school boon is a win for the community.

Is that what the OP is positing?
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