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re: Politico: FL public schools face staggering enrollment declines; school choice working
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:59 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:59 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Our state legislature in Tennessee missed the mark this legislative session. Had multiple versions of school choice being considered and they pussed out. Around 3/4 of the legislature is Republican, with a Republican governor, and nothing passed. Gave in to pressure from the vocal minority.
This post was edited on 5/26/24 at 10:59 pm
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Posted on 5/26/24 at 11:10 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Very interesting article, but it's missing any mention of how well the students are doing in the new schools.
If you are just rearranging the deck chairs then you aren't making any progress.
Now it may very well be the case that students previously enrolled in public schools are doing better in charters or private schools. But in a few months, we should have some data.
If you are just rearranging the deck chairs then you aren't making any progress.
Now it may very well be the case that students previously enrolled in public schools are doing better in charters or private schools. But in a few months, we should have some data.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 11:57 pm to SuperOcean
quote:If it weren't for the latter, this law wouldn’t even be needed.
That being said, it's not all the teachers fault... There are crappy parents that are doing litter more than baby sitting their kids.
And that's not conjecture: statistically, a strong nuclear family is near bulletproof.
But since that problem isn't going away, we must be the actual progressives and try to fix this nation-ending problem of, "public school systems," and the ROI (or lack thereof).
Posted on 5/27/24 at 12:03 am to mudshuvl05
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That being said, it's not all the teachers fault... There are crappy parents that are doing litter more than baby sitting their kids.
If it weren't for the latter, this law wouldn’t even be needed.
Explain?
Posted on 5/27/24 at 12:08 am to meansonny
Lemme guess you’re a teacher or your wife is?
Posted on 5/27/24 at 12:18 am to meansonny
quote:Shitty parents are the problem with shitty kids, not a stranger with a teaching degree.
Explain?
Posted on 5/27/24 at 12:21 am to DesScorp
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*Shrug* Public Schools and teachers brought this on themselves.
Yep giving the parents the choice and not politicians and teacher's Unions has it's consequences. Let's pay the superintendents and principles ridiculous amounts of money while their schools suck. Plenty of charter schools going up and good for the students and the parents.
This post was edited on 5/27/24 at 4:45 am
Posted on 5/27/24 at 1:34 am to BigJim
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Now it may very well be the case that students previously enrolled in public schools are doing better in charters or private schools. But in a few months, we should have some data.
I’m going to tell you a secret. That’s a tertiary concern to the parents.
Know what isn’t happening at the private schools? Desks aren’t being thrown. There aren’t riots in the lunch room. Students aren’t having to be restrained in handcuffs and carried out of the classroom.
So the parents are pretty ecstatic about that small victory.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 1:36 am to meansonny
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Charter schools get exemptions from those state laws/standards.
Lol.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 5:41 am to mudshuvl05
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Shitty parents are the problem with shitty kids, not a stranger with a teaching degree.
So how does school choice which sends the kids of shitty parents into your sons and daughters good schools solve the problems with education?
Posted on 5/27/24 at 5:42 am to momentoftruth87
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Lemme guess you’re a teacher or your wife is?
No.
I just know 100 times more about this than you do, obviously.
My entire school district is a charter district.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 5:46 am to the808bass
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Know what isn’t happening at the private schools? Desks aren’t being thrown. There aren’t riots in the lunch room. Students aren’t having to be restrained in handcuffs and carried out of the classroom.
So the parents are pretty ecstatic about that small victory.
^^ ^. absolutely gets it. ^^^
and it’s a win politically.
We must get the States back in control of spending the Peoples’ money ….. decisions made closer to home is the answer. Keeps parents involved instead of the wall that the Federal unions have built between parents and their children.
This post was edited on 5/27/24 at 5:49 am
Posted on 5/27/24 at 5:57 am to cadillacattack
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We must get the States back in control of spending the Peoples’ money ….. decisions made closer to home is the answer.
Decisions closer to home is not the state of Florida imposing laws on schools. The state of Florida has a constitutional amendment requiring the education of the student population. Any issues with education in Florida starts and stops with the state.
Local control with education goes to the local school boards.
It is ironic that DeSantis wants to champion free choice principles when his governorship is littered with executive pressure from above being forced on locally independent school boards. He is the Joe Biden of governors. Most of us just happen to be on his political side of the debates, so we turn an eye to what "mandates" really means.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 5:58 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
The one way to solve the school crisis in New Orleans and Baton Rouge. Let the students go somewhere else, reduce those systems to rubble and start over without the massive amount of red tape and leaches on the system.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 6:13 am to meansonny
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It is ironic that DeSantis wants to champion free choice principles when his governorship is littered with executive pressure from above being forced on locally independent school boards. He is the Joe Biden of governors. Most of us just happen to be on his political side of the debates, so we turn an eye to what "mandates" really means.
Does Florida have a large teacher pension system that the state is on the hook for?
Do charter schools participate in this system?
I have a feeling some positions have to deal with money.
A well funded pension system with enough reserves and enough teaching staff paying into the system is paramount. Once you start moving students to private schools and reducing the number of schools and teachers paying into the teacher pension system, the pension starts to suffer and the legislature and school boards will need to start paying more into the pension system to keep up with a declining number of teachers paying into the system, especially if some teachers retire early to get jobs at a private school and collect their pension early and work as a Social Security worker in a private school.
School Choice is a delicate balancing act for public school teacher pensions. If you go to far, there may come a time when there are not enough public school teachers paying into pension system.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 6:16 am to Tarps99
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School Choice is a delicate balancing act for public school teacher pensions. If you go to far, there may come a time when there are not enough public school teachers paying into pension system.
You are asking questions that I don't know the answer to (edit to add: charter schools are typically public schools. So they would pay into and earn credits for the pension system).
However, if you are running the pension like a ponzi scheme (needing new contributions to fund prior commitments), then you are doing the pension system wrong.
I know that much.
This post was edited on 5/27/24 at 6:20 am
Posted on 5/27/24 at 6:18 am to the808bass
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That’s a huge problem.
They’ll raise assessments to make up lost funds. That will have to be addressed by the legislature.
OR, they can close down failing schools...
Posted on 5/27/24 at 6:36 am to meansonny
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However, if you are running the pension like a ponzi scheme (needing new contributions to fund prior commitments), then you are doing the pension system wrong.
Well to burst your bubble that is how every pension system works including Social Security. The fewer workers that are putting into the system as beneficiaries increase the more strain on the system. There is no Al Gore lockbox on your pension withholdings.
The only withholdings that are due to your heirs after death is if you die early and your monthly pension has not paid out more than that amount. But a pension system is a house of cards long term, as your beneficiaries increase, your current workers are paying that tab.
The reason why most government agencies depended on pensions is that Social Security can be more expensive than funding a pension. Unfortunately now as the pendulum has swung, it is hard to put the genie back in the bottle as wages have increased and life expectancy have increased.
That is also why school districts are on the hook for increased payments into the state pension system. As this continues to grow, less money ends up in education of students. So as a entity, they find money in increased taxes to keep the train running.
This post was edited on 5/27/24 at 6:39 am
Posted on 5/27/24 at 6:37 am to jimmy the leg
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Wouldn’t the public have to vote on this?
No. I live in Port St Lucie, and the growth her has been astounding. The City Council voted to RAISE the millage rate last year and set off a firestorm. Many houses had been reassessed and the recent increase in home values had caused taxes revenue to skyrocket.
In addition to that, new homes/communities were popping up all over the place - homes that were assessed at top dollar and driving up revenue even more. The city council got greedy and the public, at large, let them know about it. The city council voted to LOWER taxes after their constituents started working to vote them out of office.
So our tax rates are headed downward, even though increased home values are causing our taxes to trend upwards.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 6:40 am to meansonny
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Charter schools are public schools that do not have to adhere to state school standards.
Those are the school standards that would be championed by the governor and state legislature.
No. They have some freedoms but they're still subject to standardized tests and performance metrics. Poor ones have been closed by the state or, more frequently, close from lack of customers.
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