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Posted on 5/27/24 at 6:44 am to livinforgmday
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Why not just turn over the campuses to new charter schools. The demand for education is the same, it's just in a different form.
Just make sure you keep enough free meal pre prison campuses in the metro shitholes to protect the ones who were able to flee.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 6:51 am to meansonny
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Exemptions from what?
I've been out of the weeds for a long time since we started a charter, but curriculum mandates for one. But the kids take the same standardized tests, AP exams, etc that the other public schools take. Employment contracts are also a year at a time, so if a mistake gets through the hiring process you can cut out the rot within the year.
If you allow a charter but make them run exactly like the schools we already have, what have you accomplished? It's federalism for schools, and the entire point is NOT do everything exactly the same. Some changes will work, some won't, but that's how you breed competition.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 6:56 am to Tarps99
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I have a feeling some positions have to deal with money.
Money and typically the local school bureaucracies hate, hate, hate competition. They fought our charter tooth & nail for years until it got big enough to be a formidable voting block then they backed off.
If you ever tell a bureaucrat that you're going to reduce their budget and power, even if it's just 5%, expect a fight. It doesn't matter that you're also relieving them of educating X number of students.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 7:13 am to livinforgmday
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Why not just turn over the campuses to new charter schools.
Because one of the big hurdles for charters that don't have a sugar daddy (like FSU or a big property developer) is financing a brick & mortar building. Most districts will fight like hell to keep an unused campus out of their hands. They'd rather turn it into a "community center".
Posted on 5/27/24 at 7:13 am to Flats
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curriculum mandates
You mean like state laws and state determined school standards?
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But the kids take the same standardized tests, AP exams, etc that the other public schools take.
Where did I say they didn't do that?
I say they get state exemptions from state laws and state school standards.
It literally is the reason why charters exist. For those exemptions.
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Employment contracts are also a year at a time, so if a mistake gets through the hiring process you can cut out the rot within the year.
I have no clue what that has to do with charter, public, private school or the school choice law.
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If you allow a charter but make them run exactly like the schools we already have, what have you accomplished? It's federalism for schools, and the entire point is NOT do everything exactly the same. Some changes will work, some won't, but that's how you breed competition.
That is the point of charter schools.
To get exemptions to state laws and state education regulations.
So if charter schools are having a boon, what does that say about the governor and state legislature when it comes to setting laws and standards?
This post was edited on 5/27/24 at 7:14 am
Posted on 5/27/24 at 7:17 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Hopefully Angel Beach High stays open.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 7:20 am to meansonny
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That is the point of charter schools.
To get exemptions to state laws and state education regulations.
There are zero exemptions to state laws that I'm aware of, but the point is to get exemptions to SOME state education regulations. They don't simply get to ignore all of them.
Why are you so opposed to competition? Are you a district employee?
Posted on 5/27/24 at 7:21 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Wonder how less education for the poorest kids will work out.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 7:30 am to Flats
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There are zero exemptions to state laws that I'm aware of, but the point is to get exemptions to SOME state education regulations.
When the school regulations in Georgia are part of OCGA, they are laws. They were passed by legislation. They are all coded in OCGA by the way.
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They don't simply get to ignore all of them.
You must be an English major from Georgia Tech because I never said that and you would be a fool to infer it.
I.e. "what exemptions does your charter school get from the state???
All of them" lol
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Why are you so opposed to competition? Are you a district employee?
Where is your evidence that I am opposed to charter schools or competition?
All I posted is that the success of charter schools is in direct opposition to the politics of the governor and state legislature. It is the governor and state legislature that they are deviating against in the search for academic success of the students.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 7:34 am to momentoftruth87
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Was talking to my brother the other day and most of my hometown have seen 100% increases in property taxes.
I’m not for increased property taxes but what you are talking about is probably the assessment going up. The value of that property has probably also risen 100%. It has in my area. Actually more than 100%.
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 7:37 am to meansonny
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You must be an English major from Georgia Tech because I never said that and you would be a fool to infer it.
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Charter schools are public schools that do not have to adhere to state school standards.
If you wanted to say "some" state standards you could have. You chose not to.
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All I posted is that the success of charter schools is in direct opposition to the politics of the governor and state legislature.
They're in opposition to the politics of the governor and state legislature that created and strengthened the laws that govern charter schools so they can be successful? And you question my understanding of English?
The fact is that they're much more likely to be in direct opposition to the politics of the local district bureaucracy, and that's where the chapped asses come from. I don't think you're very familiar with how Florida schools operate.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 7:40 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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right-leaning posters on this board,
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lsufanhouston
Posted on 5/27/24 at 7:43 am to Tarps99
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Does Florida have a large teacher pension system that the state is on the hook for?
Do charter schools participate in this system?
I have a feeling some positions have to deal with money.
The teachers in one of our charters (not sure about the rest) all participate. I know it was a voluntary opt-in, but I don't remember if they all had to do it or it could be left up to the individual.
Here's Broward's main issue:
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The current dispute dates back to a tax referendum that Broward voters approved back in 2018 to raise millions of dollars to boost funding for school safety and teacher pay in Broward County Public Schools. At the time, the district didn’t have to share those revenues with charter schools, which are funded with taxpayer dollars but run by private organizations.
Since then, court cases and a new state law have changed that — requiring traditional public schools to share the funds they raise from tax referendums with charter schools.
State officials say BCPS owes $80 million to charter schools
Now, BPCS is facing lawsuits from charter schools over what they say they’re owed. And Commissioner Diaz and the State Board of Education aren’t waiting for the lawsuits to play out.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 7:48 am to Flats
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You must be an English major from Georgia Tech because I never said that and you would be a fool to infer it.
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Charter schools are public schools that do not have to adhere to state school standards.
If you wanted to say "some" state standards you could have. You chose not to.
I chose to add this very next line.
The fact that you are aware of exemptions and literally chose to disregard their meaning is on you and your integrity in the thread.
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Charter schools get exemptions from those state laws/standards.
Why choose to be a dumbass?
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They're in opposition to the politics of the governor and state legislature that created and strengthened the laws that govern charter schools so they can be successful? And you question my understanding of English?
Yes. And your integrity. Because you know the words and the logic and choose to ignore it.
If Charter Schools have a history of success, why not change the laws that are being exempted?
It is one thing for a new charter to be issued, but there are 40+ year old charter schools using the same exemptions for 40 years.
Where does the logic break down in my argument?
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The fact is that they're much more likely to be in direct opposition to the politics of the local district bureaucracy, and that's where the chapped asses come from.
I've never seen any evidence of this.
Hell... my entire county is a charter.
The local district is literally the charter.
I'm familiar with Chamblee High School. And the high school was also the result of the local school district.
How in the hell are you arguing that a local charter school is not the direct result of the local district bureaucracy?
And even if you are correct, I would love to know who and how a foreign entity to an area is building a new charter school or converting a local school into a new charter.
That is the oddest response that I could never have imagined because the act of building a charter in and of itself requires immense buy-in from local parent, businesses, and the school.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 7:52 am to meansonny
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If the issue with Florida schools is the governor and state legislature, then the Charter school boon is a win for the community.
Not so fast my friend. The state is abiding by FEDERAL and TEACHER UNION rules and regs, The governor and state are advancing charter schools to get around this.
Other than teacher (indoctrinators) unions, the biggest problem in public schools is the "dear colleague" letter issued by the fed govt under obama that stated no student of color could be disciplined at a higher percentage of the schools makeup. Since 13% commit the majority of the offenses, this meant the inmates started running the asylums in inner cities and the schools would lose federal funding if they disciplined them.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 7:56 am to trinidadtiger
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The state is abiding by FEDERAL and TEACHER UNION rules and regs,
Florida schools have a federal and state teachers union?
Who allowed that?
They aren't allowed in Georgia. They are literally against the law.
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Other than teacher (indoctrinators) unions, the biggest problem in public schools is the "dear colleague" letter issued by the fed govt under obama that stated no student of color could be disciplined at a higher percentage of the schools makeup. Since 13% commit the majority of the offenses, this meant the inmates started running the asylums in inner cities and the schools would lose federal funding if they disciplined them.
I've been on school and county charter governance councils for 16 years. I've never heard of this.
It may just be a local issue for you.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 7:56 am to meansonny
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Yes. And your integrity.
GFY.
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I've never seen any evidence of this.
Oh, then it doesn't happen. You're in Georgia talking out of your arse about charter schools in Florida and it shows.
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How in the hell are you arguing that a local charter school is not the direct result of the local district bureaucracy?
Again, you're just showing your ignorance and trying to compare what you know about Georgia to Florida. Florida districts have no choice but to issue charters. It's a "shall" in the law, not a "may". The districts don't create these charters, they have no choice but to accept them if they're by the book.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 7:59 am to Flats
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Florida districts have no choice but to issue charters. It's a "shall" in the law, not a "may". The districts don't create these charters, they have no choice but to accept them if they're by the book.
Fair enough. Educate me.
Who makes up a charter?
Who is the foreign entity working against the local bureaucracy?
Can you point to an example in Florida?
Posted on 5/27/24 at 8:00 am to meansonny
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Any issues with education in Florida starts and stops with the state.
There is this little issue with a bus, and kids, in Little Rock Arkansas that says differently
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