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re: Parkland Student Emma Gonzalez Admits To Bullying Shooter

Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:13 pm to
Posted by Plx1776
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:13 pm to
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Thousands and thousands of kids have been bullied over the years,


And thousands and thousands of kids have harmed themselves or killed themselves, or harmed someone else, or killed someone else .... because of bullying.


Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:13 pm to
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She is alive

I'd hardly consider her a victim


I am by no means saying that because the Parkland teens were there or that they are minors they are beyond reproach. If conservatives and gun lovers want to engage in a debate with these kids, I fully support that—but engage with them on the issues, the facts. Instead, the dominant trend online and even on TV is to impugn these survivors’ credibility—to say they are Soros puppets, doing it for their 15 minutes of fame, doin' it for the Vine, or whatever else. Discussing common sense ways to lower gun violence across groups that all (hopefully) abhor is one thing, calling a group of children dykes or Nazis or agents of the Deep State or saying it's their fault this psycho shot up a school is entirely another.
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 2:14 pm
Posted by 10MTNTiger
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:14 pm to
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Thousands and thousands of kids have been bullied over the years, some more so than the shooter, who never went on to kill 17 people. He didn't shoot up the school because of bullying


I agree with what you are trying to say, being bullied is no excuse to murder anyone, let alone shoot up a school. However, I don't think anyone is saying that the bullying, alone, was the cause or justification, of the shooting; but it most certainly was a significant contributing factor in the mental decline of this man.

Furthermore, it directly indicts the population that has been given the full power of the media spotlight and unrestricted moral superiority to lecture Americans on Constitutional rights issues.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:14 pm to
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The frick you cant. They bullied this guy for years, to the point he finally snapped and killed people and they aren’t in anyway responsible for his mental state of mind? Gtfo with that shite. Everyone has limits and if you push a person far enough, they will eventually snap and respond back, often violently


culpability of someone bullying the kid might be at 0.1%

Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:16 pm to
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And thousands and thousands of kids have harmed themselves or killed themselves, or harmed someone else, or killed someone else .... because of bullying.


because of a whole host of issues

trying to cram all the blame into single issues is incredibly simple minded
Posted by TheXman
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:17 pm to
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Furthermore, it directly indicts the population that has been given the full power of the media spotlight and unrestricted moral superiority to lecture Americans on Constitutional rights issues.




I agree with this part. These kids certainly aren't responsible for the murder of their classmates. However, if they did bully the shooter, they should hopefully feel remorseful for that.
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:17 pm to
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Thousands and thousands of kids have been bullied over the years, some more so than the shooter, who never went on to kill 17 people.

He didn't shoot up the school because of bullying


There was a weird kid that I went to middle and high school with. He was the frequent target of bullying. He was very intelligent, but diagnosed with ADHD and always on medication. I was one of his few friends and stood up for him when I could.

Years later, he confided in me that he had thought about shooting up the school many times, had even bought a gun and brought it to school. He told me that the reason he didn't follow through was because I had been nice to him and introduced him to other kids who went on to be his friends later in life. He even showed me the list he'd made of people he'd planned to kill.

He's still a little weird, but is now an animator, artist, and game designer with a solid group of close friends, so I think he turned out alright.

These little things do matter...a lot.
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 2:18 pm
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:18 pm to
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what happened to personal responsibility?


Personal responsibility? As someone who spent the vast majority of 6th and 7th grade dealing with bullying, I know exactly what it does to a person. I was lucky that I broke the cycle as I transitioned into highschool, but it still didn’t leave me any less angry because of it throughout my teen years and early twenties. Believe it or not, I actually kept the guy who used to constantly frick with me from getting his arse kicked by a half dozen guys at a party in my early twenties. I was lucky enough to develope a razor sharp sense of humor that I often unleashed on anyone I felt threatened me. Some kids aren’t so lucky. They withdraw inward which only further isolates them. They hold all that anger inside until it just explodes.

It’s like poking an injured animal with a stick. You poke them enough and they will eventually attack
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 2:20 pm
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:18 pm to
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culpability of someone bullying the kid might be at 0.1%

Which is still more culpability than the nra.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:19 pm to
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Which is still more culpability than the nra.


right

not sure who is blaming the NRA here
Posted by 10MTNTiger
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:20 pm to
Kingbob, this might sound wild...but have you thought about maybe getting together with him and writing an article detailing this story a little bit? I think this is a pretty powerful message that would be good for folks to read and I doubt you would have any trouble getting it published to a wider audience.
Posted by Lawyered
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:21 pm to
I wish this would just go away. I'm sick of hearing about it and these kids getting Time magazine covers and interviews.
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:21 pm to
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trying to cram all the blame into single issues is incredibly simple minded

No one is doing that you moron.

The bullying may be just one component of the blame, along with the shooter, his parents, the cop who stood outside, the police response, the police failure to follow up, the school officials, the fbi, etc
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:22 pm to
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No one is doing that you moron.


the comment to which I replied

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And thousands and thousands of kids have harmed themselves or killed themselves, or harmed someone else, or killed someone else .... because of bullying.

Posted by nematocyte
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:22 pm to
My god, most of you are angry, venomous people. You can disagree with somebody without calling them "fricking hookers" and "skinhead carpet munching whores."
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:23 pm to
I don't know if he would be wanting that kind of attention, but I could always ask.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:23 pm to
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My god, most of you are angry, venomous people. You can disagree with somebody without calling them "fricking hookers" and "skinhead carpet munching whores."



kinda ironic in a thread chastising bullying, no?
Posted by Dale51
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:24 pm to
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the rage the right has shown towards a bunch of kids who just survived a school shooting is bizarre and disturbing.

I don't think the Hogg was even there. Supposedly he was home that day.
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:24 pm to
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Here is my own post from back on Feb 22. where I called this:


And this speech was made on Feb 17. You were easily manipulated by an edited video.

Here's the full video, and I started at the "middle school part." LINK

Here is the actual full quote in regards to that:

"Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. 'Must always report such instances to authorities...again and again!' We did. Time and time again. Since he was in middle school. It was no surprise to anyone that knew him to hear that he was the shooter."

Also ostracized isn't exactly the "bullying" that you seem to imply happened. They may have excluded him socially because he was threatening. It could have been because he was weird also. There's no way you can say either way based on the support you provided. I'd lean on the former being the reason if the claim that they have been reporting him to police since middle school.

This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 2:26 pm
Posted by Mac
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:25 pm to
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Hogg wasn't even there.


Wait. Are you serious? Where was he?
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 2:28 pm
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