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Posted on 12/12/25 at 10:57 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:
What a stupid fricking analogy.
Not at all.
2nd amendment = 4th amendment
Detainment to verify citizenship = detainment to verify legal gun ownership
It's all just an inconvenience for the safety of our country.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 10:59 am to Ingeniero
quote:Are they roaming the streets just grabbing every brown fricker they see?
Detainment to verify citizenship
Posted on 12/12/25 at 11:00 am to stout
I thought that was the purpose of a Real ID.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 11:01 am to Jbird
quote:
Are they roaming the streets just grabbing every brown fricker they see?
I don't know. So what if they are? Show your papers and it's no problem
I'm a law abiding gun owner. I'd have no problem proving I legally own a weapon if it means gangbangers with Glock switches are arrested. What's the problem?
Posted on 12/12/25 at 11:01 am to Ingeniero
quote:
Detainment to verify citizenship = detainment to verify legal gun ownership
What is 'legal gun ownership' and how would they verify it? Is there suddenly a database of all firearms and private parties submitting transfer slips when they sell a gun?
Or do you mean check serial numbers to verify a gun isn't reported as stolen?
This post was edited on 12/12/25 at 11:02 am
Posted on 12/12/25 at 11:02 am to Ingeniero
quote:Let's get those tattoos on our arms!
Show your papers and it's no problem
quote:Slippery slope MFer is skippery!
I'm a law abiding gun owner. I'd have no problem proving I legally own a weapon if it means gangbangers with Glock switches are arrested. What's the problem?
Posted on 12/12/25 at 11:03 am to Ingeniero
quote:
Not at all.
2nd amendment = 4th amendment
Detainment to verify citizenship = detainment to verify legal gun ownership
It's all just an inconvenience for the safety of our country.
Your original post was about the purchasing process of guns, now you've moved on to another straw man.
If I am a citizen, working on a crew with a bunch of non-citizens, then I should not be surprised if I have to prove my citizenship if the site is raided.
If I am a legal gun owner, surrounding myself with a bunch of illegal gun owners, then I should not be surprised if I have to prove that I am a legal gun owner.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 11:03 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:No fricking way! Nazis train cars are next!
If I am a citizen, working on a crew with a bunch of non-citizens, then I should not be surprised if I have to prove my citizenship if the site is raided.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 11:05 am to Jbird
quote:
If I am a citizen, working on a crew with a bunch of non-citizens, then I should not be surprised if I have to prove my citizenship if the site is raided.
No fricking way! Nazis train cars are next!
At what level would you suggest that a reasonable suspicion which warrants a stop exists?
Posted on 12/12/25 at 11:06 am to stout
quote:media has not proven a single instance of this. Only reported it with sob stories and no receipts.
On the subject of 'U.S. citizens being detained'
(they wouldn't lie would they)
Posted on 12/12/25 at 11:07 am to Antonio Moss
quote:Well I know they aren't simply darting people in the streets like Marlon Perkins.
At what level would you suggest that a reasonable suspicion which warrants a stop exists?
Aggravated Assault - Weapon, Illegal Re-Entry (INA SEC.101(a)(43)(O), 8USC1326 only), Dangerous Drugs
Arrested:
Pollock, Louisiana
Name:
SERGIO ROSALES-WENCES
Larceny, Illegal Re-Entry (INA SEC.101(a)(43)(O), 8USC1326 only)
Arrested:
OAKDALE, Louisiana
Name:
TOMAS JUAREZ-SANTOS
Robbery, Drug Trafficking
Arrested:
OAKDALE, Louisiana
Name:
GERALDO MAURICIO CORDERO BREA
Posted on 12/12/25 at 11:12 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:
Your original post was about the purchasing process of guns, now you've moved on to another straw man.
No, my original post was twofold: that Dems use this reasoning (that it's merely an inconvenience for safety and not a rights violation) to push for gun laws, and that being detained until you can prove lawful ownership of a weapon is analogous to detainment until you can prove citizenship.
quote:
If I am a citizen, working on a crew with a bunch of non-citizens, then I should not be surprised if I have to prove my citizenship if the site is raided.
If I am a legal gun owner, surrounding myself with a bunch of illegal gun owners, then I should not be surprised if I have to prove that I am a legal gun owner
Why are we ignoring stops on the street? Do federal officers not have the jurisdiction to stop people on reasonable suspicion of illegal entry and require proof of citizenship?
I like Stout's point about serial numbers. If an officer stops you for open carry, you should be required to show your ID so they can make sure you aren't a felon, and be detained until the serial number on your weapon can be run and verified it isn't stolen.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 11:29 am to c on z
quote:
That doesn’t make it okay.
Sure it does
Posted on 12/12/25 at 11:43 am to VOR
quote:
A U.S. citizen should be able to walk down the street with no fear that a government
agent is going to stop and detain him (for even 10 minutes)just because of his ethnicity…
What about driving a white truck in BR in early 00s?
Posted on 12/12/25 at 12:48 pm to stout
quote:The problem is, in the Tangerine thread (assuming the information included was accurate), "inconvenienced" doesn't adequately cover what went on in that incident.
how much do you care that a few people get racially profiled and inconvenienced for a few hours while their citizenship is verified?
Posted on 12/12/25 at 1:11 pm to 4cubbies
quote:
How would anyone know that the citizen is “ hanging out with a bunch of illegals” at first glance?
They wouldn't, hence the reason they would get nabbed and detained until they show citizenship. Not ideal, but certainly not unexpected.
quote:
Are you serious? Being around people who appear to be Latino is equivalent to being “a fricking idiot hanging out in a crack house”?
Reading is hard. I didn't say "being around people that appear to be Latino", I said hanging around illegals.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 1:17 pm to stout
I’m all in favor of a National ID. This can be used to vote, obtain benefits, etc. You need an ID for lots of things, why not add on Nationality?
Posted on 12/12/25 at 1:31 pm to Ingeniero
quote:
This bullshite is what got us the PATRIOT act.
So are we to just accept Real ID as valid proof, when it was issued by a state known to issue them to illegal aliens? What's the solution? It would appear to be a States'-Rights issue with some states completely ignoring well defined federal precedent and law.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 1:46 pm to Jugbow
Except for the guy in Minnesota tackled to the ground by masked lunatics. Just our patriotic duty to be assaulted by unidentifiable and unaccountable Feds, right?
This post was edited on 12/12/25 at 1:47 pm
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