re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread

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They should ask Japan what happens when you touch our boats. NOBODY TOUCHES OUR BOATS.

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They don't even have to talk to Japan, just ask any Iranian Naval veterans who are still alive that served in 1988.

The US launched Operation Praying Mantis April 18th, 1988 and Iran's Navy had it's shite pushed in.

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7 diesel baw?

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These numbers are from February 10th 2022 during Bidens reign.

Let’s take a look: (glasses on)

Energy prices up 27% from a year ago.

Gas up 39.9%

Fuel up 40%

Electricity up 14%

Natural gas up 23.9%

Home prices/shelter up 4.4%

New car prices up 12.2%

Lol…. Used car prices UP 40%

The 10 year treasury is at a 2 year high showing people are leaving the market.

INFLATION TO 7.5%. THE HIGHEST IN 40 YEARS.

These numbers are from the Labor Department before you start with that.

What’s inflation right now? 3.30

You liberals or RINO’s or whatever pronouns you might go by are very very quick to forget what a disaster those 4yrs was and how (including you) we all suffered.

Thought this was worth reading. I usually don't go into X and read. I'll read X posts if C&P below.
So for those like me, here's the C&P from post I'm replying to. About why Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Kuwait closed air space. I can buy it as true.


Aimen Dean
@AimenDean
Having spoken to a senior Saudi official about the NBC article regarding Project Freedom, I honestly think the article completely misunderstood what actually happened because it was written almost entirely from a US perspective rather than from a GCC perspective.

First of all, contrary to the impression being created, the GCC were NOT blindsided by Project Freedom.

They knew about it beforehand. Roughly half a day before. The airspace was opened. The facilities were available. Nobody objected. There was broad support for the idea because, at least publicly, Project Freedom was supposed to be a limited humanitarian-security operation aimed at relieving the 22,000 sailors trapped around Hormuz and allowing shipping lanes to breathe again.

Nobody in the GCC had a problem with that.

But here is the issue .. and this is the part the NBC article completely misses.
If you are asking GCC countries to participate in such an operation, then you need to be upfront about the rules of engagement from day one!

You cannot say:?“Please open your skies and bases, expose your energy infrastructure”
…only for everyone to discover afterwards that the actual American policy was apparently:

“Oh by the way, if Iran attacks you with ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and drones in several waves, we still won’t retaliate because Donald Trump is busy chasing The Deal.”

And this is exactly what shocked the Saudis. Not the Iranian attack itself.

The UAE/GCC expected retaliation.. This is Iran. Nobody in the Gulf is naïve about that anymore.
The shock came from the American reaction afterwards.

You had attacks against Emirati infrastructure. Fujairah was targeted. Multiple waves involving drones, ballistic missiles, cruise missiles.

And Washington’s response was basically:?“Meh. Minor incident. Let’s not escalate.”
Minor incident?!

For the GCC that was madness.

Because what Riyadh, Kuwait and Abu Dhabi suddenly realized was that Trump’s obsession with preserving “The Deal” had apparently reached the point where Gulf energy infrastructure was now considered acceptable collateral damage in the pursuit of his precious negotiations.

Everything became:?The deal.?The deal.?The beautiful deal.?The greatest deal.?The mother of all deals.
The ultimate “Art of the deal”
Or perhaps, more accurately:?The ultimate fart of the deal.

Because from the Gulf perspective, this stopped looking like strategy and started looking like desperate political vanity mixed with deadly wishful thinking.

Had the GCC been told beforehand:?“Listen, whatever Iran does to you during Project Freedom, America will not retaliate because we do not want to endanger negotiations…”
…they would have almost certainly refused participation from the start.

The problem was not Project Freedom itself.

The problem was discovering midway through the operation that the GCC countries were apparently expected to sit there quietly as punching bags while Washington played negotiation theatrics with Tehran. So the Saudis and Kuwaitis pulled plug!

Because the GCC know something US usually forgets:

Iran plays the long game.
You can freeze enrichment.?Pause enrichment.?Delay enrichment.?Sign ten agreements.?Twenty agreements.?Forty agreements.

But if the infrastructure remains…?If the centrifuges remain…?If the IRGC remains…?If the proxy network remains…

then eventually the game resumes.

There will be another distraction.?Another pandemic.?Another financial crisis.?Another war somewhere else.?Another paralysis in Washington.
And while the world is distracted, enrichment quietly resumes again.

Ironically, much of Iran’s highly enriched uranium stockpile expanded during the pandemic years precisely because global attention was elsewhere.

Judging by the reaction to the UAE attacks, the Saudis and Kuwaitis concluded that Trump’s version of deterrence had become:

“Please absorb the missiles quietly because I’m trying to write the sequel to “The Fart of the Deal.”

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What does the post at the top of this page say?

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It says retaliation to Iran response to project freedom.

UAE making offensive strikes would not fall under that.

Anyway, the Iranians appear to want to force Trump to blow them up. Let's see if he obliges them finally.

Mostly peaceful cease fire.

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If he’s that pissed off maybe he should have Saudi’s military actually fight instead of relying on us.

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Fair point.

But Israel and the US pulled the trigger here so....

I get both sides but the US can't just stir up the hornet's nest and then start playing the role of Switzerland.