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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread
Posted on 6/19/26 at 9:21 am to Diego Ricardo
Posted on 6/19/26 at 9:21 am to Diego Ricardo
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He's right that Vance is dead in the water for a presidential run after these statements. He's going to get the Massie AIPAC-led skull-fricking.
Most Americans probably agree with Vance on this analysis but they'll be attacking him from other angles that aren't even Israel related...and if he pipes up and says Israel lobby is out to get him then he'll be in the antisemite checkmate state.
I hope your prediction is wrong, but you're probably going to be right.
If you are in the MAGA "No New Wars" camp, then you should definitely be backing JD Vance. But the MIGA portion of MAGA might be too strong.
The fact that he is Catholic is not going to help him with pro-Israel evangelicals.
I know that Rubio is Catholic, too, but he leans to the neocon side, so the pro-Israel evangelicals will support him.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 9:41 am to Stinger_1066
Rubios just sitting back watching everything crumble talking to him team on talking points in 2 years.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 9:45 am to dallastiger55
Rubio is involved in all this mess but nobody pins it on him. Nobody has come out better from this than Rubio somehow.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 9:49 am to Diego Ricardo
I agree. He’s not innocent but making it out as the winner
Posted on 6/19/26 at 10:12 am to Bronco11
Trump calls out the DumfrickOcrats and other Dumfricks on this thread.
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 6/19/26 at 10:13 am to TurkeyBaconLeg
Posted on 6/19/26 at 11:50 am to SlidellCajun
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Yeah, this has gotten comical. Iran acts as though they don’t know who is in charge and that very well might be the case.
Iran has been pretty consistent.
When Iran took the Strait of Hormuz hostage and started bombing other middle eastern nations, Trump came to the conclusion that the US could not overthrow the Islamist regime without a costly war. Trump decided to walk away from any more armed conflict.
Iran has employed realpolitik to push more and more, daring Trump to return to military action. The Iranians have correctly determined that Trump will not respond militarily.
Iran will continue to act as if it has no limitations or constraints. It will continue to fund Hezbollah, which will continue to send rockets into Israel. It will continue to assert that it controls the SoH. Iran is dictating the terms.
As long as Trump refuses to reengage militarily, Iran will continue to expand its aggression. Even if Trump restarts military action, Iran will not change course because they have correctly evaluated Trump's weakness and exploited it.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 11:56 am to TBoy
Thats a dumb take Tboy. Trump was bombing them for 2 straight nights just last week. They called him to stop and not do a third night. That is when they signed the MOU.
If they pull any shite, Trump has said they will bomb them again.
If they pull any shite, Trump has said they will bomb them again.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 12:00 pm to TurkeyBaconLeg
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Thats a dumb take Tboy. Trump was bombing them for 2 straight nights just last week. They called him to stop and not do a third night. That is when they signed the MOU.
If they pull any shite, Trump has said they will bomb them again.
It is an uncomfortable take, but it appears to be correct. Trump may send a single bombing run or something, but there will be no real effort to beat down or overthrow the Islamist extremists that control Iran.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 12:05 pm to TBoy
quote:Unfortunate but is true.
It is an uncomfortable take, but it appears to be correct. Trump may send a single bombing run or something, but there will be no real effort to beat down or overthrow the Islamist extremists that control Iran.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 12:08 pm to ninthward
Another 40years of Iran-sponsored Islamic terrorism, yay!
Posted on 6/19/26 at 12:11 pm to TurkeyBaconLeg
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They called him to stop and not do a third night.
Don't tell me you actually believed that. That was pure taco.Posted on 6/19/26 at 1:17 pm to TurkeyBaconLeg
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They called him to stop and not do a third night.
More like Qatar called and said they were not going forward with their several trillion dollar investment in the USA. That's what stopped and brought about this current situation.
There was a Qatari delegation in Tehran for over 17 hours straight that did not leave until the announcement of the ceasefire and the MOU. That's not a coincidence that Trump suddenly changed course while they were involved with the negotiations.
I've broken down earlier in the thread what most likely happened here. It will be about 50 years down the road before all the details finally come out, when all the major players of this issue are dead and gone.
The world will eventually see dirty Qatari money was the center of the USA's sudden capitulation, in a conflict that our military was running roughshod over it's opponent until the leadership called off the dogs and started a 10 week period of waffling and wavering that ended with this shitty MOU that really accomplishes nothing but kicking the can down the road.
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Posted on 6/19/26 at 1:24 pm to dallastiger55
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I agree. He’s not innocent but making it out as the winner
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 6/19/26 at 1:27 pm to BayouBengal51
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French FM Barrot: France will veto lifting UN Security Council sanctions on Iran until nuclear talks meet its expectations and address Tehran's ballistic missiles and proxy forces.
I guess after the IRGC revealed that it could hit parts of Europe, Macron got a little nervous about that program.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 1:41 pm to BayouBengal51
Nope. I dont care why Trump stopped the 3rd day of attacks. The fact that we did the first 2 proves that we can and will do it again. If there wasnt an MOU, I have no doubt that Trump would have done the 3rd and many more days of attacks. The Qatari threat would have been ignored if the MOU wasnt done.
You think the MOU is shitty? Who cares! Its an MOU. If they dont perform in 60 days, the bombs drop again.
You think the MOU is shitty? Who cares! Its an MOU. If they dont perform in 60 days, the bombs drop again.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 1:48 pm to TurkeyBaconLeg
Have you DumfrickOcrats ever done business?
An MOU doesnt stop due-diligence!
The parties involved try to do their best to complete the deal. But, it doesnt always work out. Things change.
All you complainers can do is sit back and see what happens. Lets see!
An MOU doesnt stop due-diligence!
The parties involved try to do their best to complete the deal. But, it doesnt always work out. Things change.
All you complainers can do is sit back and see what happens. Lets see!
Posted on 6/19/26 at 1:54 pm to tigervet4
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Protestors are dead bro, the IRGC killed all 45 quintillion of them.
A lot of the survivors crave revenge.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 2:00 pm to TurkeyBaconLeg
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You think the MOU is shitty? Who cares! Its an MOU. If they dont perform in 60 days, the bombs drop again.
The bombs won't drop again, because the MOUs 60 day deadline is not set in stone. It's extendable and the regime will play the game until midterms to see if the GOP loses the majority in both houses. If that happens, the IRGC will care not about anything in the MOU and go right back to what they were doing before because they know there will no consequences.
They have already tested that theory and found out it will be successful because they never called off their Hezbollah dogs, in violation of the MOU, yet no bombs have started to drop on their heads. Trump issued several red lines and deadlines throughout the 10 week period leading up to the MOU that they blew through with impunity. He showed the world and the enemy he will let that happen again and they will take advantage of that.
The Qatar threat will not be ignored because Trump loves that investment and it's optics. He won't turn down an investment that is now said to approaching close to $20 Trillion in the near future. He sat there for most of the G7 with the Emir of Qatar to his immediate right watching him like a hawk as Trump sang Qatar's praises and gave the Emir of Qatar glowing reviews.
Qatar purchased time and an outcome for it's BFF. Qatar, the worlds #1 state sponsorship of terror, and our leadership is rubbing elbows with them, singing their praises and suddenly making moves that benefits them directly.
One of our top negotiators, Witkoff, Trump's best friend, was given a no strings attached bailout from Qatar when he lost his arse with no cash repayment necessary. What do you think they did that for? Kindness out of their own hearts? No, their repayment plan was that they would have influence in the admin to further their agenda. That's how this shite is played in DC and world wide.
The bombs will not fall again on Iran's head anytime soon. The 60 days will be extended at nauseam. This will dominate the headlines until midterms and the Iranian regime will live to terrorize another day.
The only way the regime gets its shite pushed in again by the USA is if they go too far in their bullshite because they believe they are invincible and do something that cannot truly be ignored.
Hey, I'd love to be absolutely fricking wrong about all of that but I fear I'm not. I'd love Trump to be the leader I thought he was and supported. If he proves me wrong, I'll be one of the first ones to jump in and take my licks and admit it, but the way things look now, I fear that won't be the case.
This post was edited on 6/19/26 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 6/19/26 at 3:01 pm to BayouBengal51
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They called him to stop and not do a third night.
More like Qatar called and said they were not going forward with their several trillion dollar investment in the USA. That's what stopped and brought about this current situation.
There was a Qatari delegation in Tehran for over 17 hours straight that did not leave until the announcement of the ceasefire and the MOU. That's not a coincidence that Trump suddenly changed course while they were involved with the negotiations.
I've broken down earlier in the thread what most likely happened here. It will be about 50 years down the road before all the details finally come out, when all the major players of this issue are dead and gone.
The world will eventually see dirty Qatari money was the center of the USA's sudden capitulation, in a conflict that our military was running roughshod over it's opponent until the leadership called off the dogs and started a 10 week period of waffling and wavering that ended with this shitty MOU that really accomplishes nothing but kicking the can down the road.
Qatar and Israel both put serious money into the US economy, but the scale and style are completely different.
Qatar is operating on another level. Through its sovereign wealth fund and related entities, it has directed something like $400 billion into the US since around 2000. That covers big real estate plays, energy infrastructure like LNG terminals in Texas, defense contracts, major Boeing orders, stakes in sports teams, university funding, and a range of other sectors. New pledges are even larger, with talk of hundreds of billions more over the next decade. A lot of this is state directed capital aimed at diversification and building ties.
Israel's presence is more modest and focused. Official investment stock in the US hovers around $22 to $24 billion in recent years. It comes mostly from private tech companies expanding here in areas like software, cybersecurity, medical devices, and industrial tech. It is steady work that plays to Israel's strengths as an innovation hub rather than giant sovereign check writing.
Qatar recycles hydrocarbon wealth through big strategic moves while Israel drives growth through private sector expansion. Keep in mind the numbers are not always apples to apples since Qatar's totals often include broader commitments beyond standard foreign direct investment. Qatar has used its economic clout in the US and West for well over a decade to exert influence on policy debates. It supports media outlets, universities, think tanks, non-profits, and causes that frequently align with Muslim Brotherhood-linked viewpoints, which critics argue amounts to sustained disinformation and political pressure aimed at weakening Israel. This influence is also widely cited as a key factor in why the US has not designated the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization, despite repeated calls from members of Congress as well as governments like Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Egypt.
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