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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread
Posted on 6/19/26 at 11:40 pm to Rainier Fog
Posted on 6/19/26 at 11:40 pm to Rainier Fog
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Surrender is what Japan and Germany did
And dictated the terms of Japan and Germany's surrender, we accepted Iran's terms
Posted on 6/19/26 at 11:40 pm to phaz
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And dictated the terms of Japan and Germany's surrender, we accepted Iran's terms
Incorrect
Posted on 6/20/26 at 12:50 am to Rainier Fog
Posted on 6/20/26 at 1:17 am to hawgfaninc
Some of you people need to get a clue. After the Repubs maintain control of Congress, Trump can blow up whomever he wants. He knows the Iranians will not continue to abide by any agreements. As far as the Iranian drones and missiles, we destroyed most of the industries that produced them and their componnents.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 1:53 am to hawgfaninc
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Rubio heads to the middle east.
Rubio going to clean up the children's mess per usual.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 2:58 am to VooDude
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As he prepared to sign his “memorandum of understanding” with the Islamic dictatorship of Iran, President Trump again insisted that his deal was much different than that of his predecessor, President Barack Obama.
He’s right — it’s probably worse.
Obama’s treaty did not prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, it simply punted the issue down the road in exchange for cash.
Trump’s agreement has the same vague promises, the same payouts, but with the added twist that Iran can and will take the world hostage by shutting the Strait of Hormuz at will.
On Friday, just days after the signing of the MOU, Iran moved to close the Strait, saying no ships could cross without its permission and suggesting that “insurance fees” must be paid.
This is part of the deal.
Point No. 5: “The Islamic Republic of Iran will conduct dialog with the Sultanate of Oman to define the future administration and maritime services in the Strait of Hormuz.”
Why would opening the door for “administration” of a previously free international waterway even be part this agreement?
How is this in any way the “unconditional surrender” Trump described?
The deal contains just one condition Trump previously said was required of Iran.
It’s No. 7: “Islamic Republic of Iran reaffirms that it shall not procure or develop nuclear weapons.”
“Reaffirm” — because that’s what Iran has always claimed.
If they suddenly mean it, it would be a win.
The rest of the 14-point plan is almost entirely about what Iran gets: Immediate sanctions relief on exported oil.
Protection of Hezbollah from Israeli attack.
And the possibility of a $300 billion reconstruction fund if all goes well with the next round of talks.
No mention of Iran reining in its terror proxies in Gaza, Lebanon and Yemen.
No restriction on conventional weapons.
No mechanism to surrender the enriched uranium it has already created.
No regime change or mercy for protesters.
Trump had claimed Iran was days away from economic collapse because of the blockade.
He said Iran’s navy and air force were “decimated.”
This is the best deal we could get with the leverage we had?
The president hasn’t just moved the goalposts, he’s changed the sport, the venue and the rules simply to declare a win.
This isn’t what Trump’s voters want, despite the claims of the Tucker Carlson’s of the world.
Among self-identified MAGA Republicans, 51% favor regime change, while 25% back a negotiated settlement, according to a new Reagan Institute Summer Survey.
This shouldn’t be about the podcasters, it’s about the people.
Trump is betraying his base — and his allies.
Speaking of allies, Vice President J.D. Vance responded to Israeli criticism of the deal with a thuggish threat, suggesting they not attack “the only powerful ally [they] have anywhere left in the entire world.”
Israel has been a staunch defender of American interests in the region.
Vance pays them back with a “nice country you have there, shame if anything happened to it”? This comes on the heel of Trump needlessly insulting Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth looking for ways to weaken Europe.
What’s the plan here? Make sure we have no friends left?
The administration says the MOU is just a first step. Iran won’t get full sanctions relief unless it agrees to a larger deal over the next 60 days.
But Iran has already delayed negotiations, with Vance cancelling a trip to Switzerland The more time that passes, the more Iran realizes that the threat of renewed US strikes is a fiction. They can “tap us along” until the midterms and beyond.
Trump is already signaling as much, by ridiculously claiming the son of the ayatollah taking over is “regime change” and the MOU is a victory. Your voters aren’t buying it, Mr. President.
This memorandum is not the end, and the first sign of betrayal by Iran must be treated as the last — with renewed action to stop its evil. Already, Iran has shown it will leverage the Strait and blackmail the world once US ships have left.
This cannot be allowed.
Don’t make the same mistake Obama did.
As he prepared to sign his “memorandum of understanding” with the Islamic dictatorship of Iran, President Trump again insisted that his deal was much different than that of his predecessor, President Barack Obama.
He’s right — it’s probably worse.
Obama’s treaty did not prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, it simply punted the issue down the road in exchange for cash.
Trump’s agreement has the same vague promises, the same payouts, but with the added twist that Iran can and will take the world hostage by shutting the Strait of Hormuz at will.
On Friday, just days after the signing of the MOU, Iran moved to close the Strait, saying no ships could cross without its permission and suggesting that “insurance fees” must be paid.
This is part of the deal.
Point No. 5: “The Islamic Republic of Iran will conduct dialog with the Sultanate of Oman to define the future administration and maritime services in the Strait of Hormuz.”
Why would opening the door for “administration” of a previously free international waterway even be part this agreement?
How is this in any way the “unconditional surrender” Trump described?
The deal contains just one condition Trump previously said was required of Iran.
It’s No. 7: “Islamic Republic of Iran reaffirms that it shall not procure or develop nuclear weapons.”
“Reaffirm” — because that’s what Iran has always claimed.
If they suddenly mean it, it would be a win.
The rest of the 14-point plan is almost entirely about what Iran gets: Immediate sanctions relief on exported oil.
Protection of Hezbollah from Israeli attack.
And the possibility of a $300 billion reconstruction fund if all goes well with the next round of talks.
No mention of Iran reining in its terror proxies in Gaza, Lebanon and Yemen.
No restriction on conventional weapons.
No mechanism to surrender the enriched uranium it has already created.
No regime change or mercy for protesters.
Trump had claimed Iran was days away from economic collapse because of the blockade.
He said Iran’s navy and air force were “decimated.”
This is the best deal we could get with the leverage we had?
The president hasn’t just moved the goalposts, he’s changed the sport, the venue and the rules simply to declare a win.
This isn’t what Trump’s voters want, despite the claims of the Tucker Carlson’s of the world.
Among self-identified MAGA Republicans, 51% favor regime change, while 25% back a negotiated settlement, according to a new Reagan Institute Summer Survey.
This shouldn’t be about the podcasters, it’s about the people.
Trump is betraying his base — and his allies.
Speaking of allies, Vice President J.D. Vance responded to Israeli criticism of the deal with a thuggish threat, suggesting they not attack “the only powerful ally [they] have anywhere left in the entire world.”
Israel has been a staunch defender of American interests in the region.
Vance pays them back with a “nice country you have there, shame if anything happened to it”? This comes on the heel of Trump needlessly insulting Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth looking for ways to weaken Europe.
What’s the plan here? Make sure we have no friends left?
The administration says the MOU is just a first step. Iran won’t get full sanctions relief unless it agrees to a larger deal over the next 60 days.
But Iran has already delayed negotiations, with Vance cancelling a trip to Switzerland The more time that passes, the more Iran realizes that the threat of renewed US strikes is a fiction. They can “tap us along” until the midterms and beyond.
Trump is already signaling as much, by ridiculously claiming the son of the ayatollah taking over is “regime change” and the MOU is a victory. Your voters aren’t buying it, Mr. President.
This memorandum is not the end, and the first sign of betrayal by Iran must be treated as the last — with renewed action to stop its evil. Already, Iran has shown it will leverage the Strait and blackmail the world once US ships have left.
This cannot be allowed.
Don’t make the same mistake Obama did.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 6:46 am to hawgfaninc
Posted on 6/20/26 at 6:48 am to BayouBengal51
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Hezbollah and the IDF are trading blame over the latest escalation in southern Lebanon.
Hezbollah says it remains committed to the ceasefire, claiming it only attacked after IDF forces attempted a ground advance toward the Ali al-Taher ridge.
The IDF says Hezbollah fired more than 50 rockets at Israeli troops overnight, calling it repeated ceasefire violations, and says it responded by striking Hezbollah sites in southern Lebanon.
Both sides say the other violated the ceasefire first, and both say they remain committed to it.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 6:49 am to BayouBengal51
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Iranian authorities arrested 480 people in the northwest of the country over alleged links to Israel and the US following their attacks on Iran, the province's chief justice Nasser Atabati said.
Atabati said those detained were accused of security offenses and cooperation with networks linked to Israel and the US. Authorities did not release details of the detainees' identities, evidence, legal proceedings or access to independent lawyers.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 6:54 am to BayouBengal51
Cardboard hands don't write so well....
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Mojtaba Khamenei’s new signature didn’t match his historic one - hours later, the historic version was changed to match it.
The signature used on Mojtaba’s latest statement was different from the version that had been publicly available for years.
That historic signature came from an older image of his handwritten signature and had been online for a long time.
After the regime noticed the discrepancy, the historic version was updated within hours to match the new printed signature.
The cover-up and damage control was faster than the explanation.
Another reason many believe Mojtaba is either dead or incapacitated, and that figures like Ghalibaf are running the regime behind the scenes while using Khamenei’s name as cover.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 8:24 am to BayouBengal51
Posted on 6/20/26 at 8:40 am to BayouBengal51
Iran is like a house of mirrors with groups of rats scurrying around the floor.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 8:59 am to BayouBengal51
With all the firepower the US has in the region, how does Iran still have the capability to close the Strait?
Am I under thinking this, or is it as easy as wiping out all of Iran's military assets in the region?
Am I under thinking this, or is it as easy as wiping out all of Iran's military assets in the region?
This post was edited on 6/20/26 at 8:59 am
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:27 am to BayouBengal51
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:31 am to remaster916
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With all the firepower the US has in the region, how does Iran still have the capability to close the Strait?
The shipping companies don’t know what the IRGC has or doesn’t have, it’s risk avoidance on their part
The severely damaged wasp nest can still sting until it’s fully eradicated
This post was edited on 6/20/26 at 9:34 am
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:45 am to BayouBengal51
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The signature used on Mojtaba’s latest statement was different
Maybe he lost some fingers in addition to his legs.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 10:09 am to alphaandomega
So Nick Fuentes is correct. US tries to make peace and Israel blows it up.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 10:22 am to Eurocat
The author tries hard to paint this in the worst possible light. Here's the first thing I noticed from the bolded part.
He left out the first part of point No. 5: "Upon the signing of this MOU, the Islamic Republic of Iran will make arrangements using its best efforts for the safe passage of commercial vessels with no charge for 60 days only from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa. "
If nobody believes that this agreement is carved in stone, or maybe will ever be honored, why are folks so perturbed by the possibility that Iran will conduct dialog about future administration. Things will change over the next 60 days. Assuming that the worst will happen, after 60 days Iran becomes overseer and tollmaster of the SOH, seems like doomcasting and is certainly not guaranteed or even acknowledged in the memorandum. I don't have a link, but Vance did say a few days ago that the long term plan is for passage through the SOH to remain free and unencumbered. The worst that can be said is that there remain future points of contention, which everyone involved and observing already knew.
The article also makes this claim, that the MOU provides
Once again, misleading, or more accurately, lying. Point # 1 says this:
"The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war by signing this MOU declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon, and undertake from now on not to initiate any war or any military operation against each other and to refrain from the threat or use of force against each other and ensuring the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Lebanon. The final deal will confirm the permanent termination of the war on all fronts including in Lebanon and other provisions of this paragraph."
This clearly doesn't protect Hezbollah if they refuse to terminate their activities against Israel. Despite any rhetoric to date, nobody in the administration expects Israel to do nothing while Hezbollah continues their terror war from Lebanon. It even goes further and states that Iran and their allies must ensure the " territorial integrity and sovereignty of Lebanon." The Lebanese government has made it clear that they consider Hezbollah to be an unwelcome force and a threat to their sovereignty. The MOU does not provide "protection for Hezbollah".
and this:
Point #8 clearly addressed this claim:
"resolve the disposition of stockpile enriched material pursuant to a mechanism that will be mutually agreed upon in accordance with the schedule mentioned in Paragraph 7 with the the minimum methodology to be downblending on site under the supervision of the IAEA."
This doesn't rule out removing the material entirely, but why go to the trouble of removing fissile material if it can more easily be degraded on site, and verified as such? Did the author not read or understand that sentence?
I could go on, but it's clear this article by whomever was either written in bad faith or without good comprehension of what the MOU says.
quote:
Point No. 5: “The Islamic Republic of Iran will conduct dialog with the Sultanate of Oman to define the future administration and maritime services in the Strait of Hormuz.” Why would opening the door for “administration” of a previously free international waterway even be part this agreement?
He left out the first part of point No. 5: "Upon the signing of this MOU, the Islamic Republic of Iran will make arrangements using its best efforts for the safe passage of commercial vessels with no charge for 60 days only from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa. "
If nobody believes that this agreement is carved in stone, or maybe will ever be honored, why are folks so perturbed by the possibility that Iran will conduct dialog about future administration. Things will change over the next 60 days. Assuming that the worst will happen, after 60 days Iran becomes overseer and tollmaster of the SOH, seems like doomcasting and is certainly not guaranteed or even acknowledged in the memorandum. I don't have a link, but Vance did say a few days ago that the long term plan is for passage through the SOH to remain free and unencumbered. The worst that can be said is that there remain future points of contention, which everyone involved and observing already knew.
The article also makes this claim, that the MOU provides
quote:
Protection of Hezbollah from Israeli attack. No mention of Iran reining in its terror proxies in Gaza, Lebanon and Yemen.
Once again, misleading, or more accurately, lying. Point # 1 says this:
"The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war by signing this MOU declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon, and undertake from now on not to initiate any war or any military operation against each other and to refrain from the threat or use of force against each other and ensuring the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Lebanon. The final deal will confirm the permanent termination of the war on all fronts including in Lebanon and other provisions of this paragraph."
This clearly doesn't protect Hezbollah if they refuse to terminate their activities against Israel. Despite any rhetoric to date, nobody in the administration expects Israel to do nothing while Hezbollah continues their terror war from Lebanon. It even goes further and states that Iran and their allies must ensure the " territorial integrity and sovereignty of Lebanon." The Lebanese government has made it clear that they consider Hezbollah to be an unwelcome force and a threat to their sovereignty. The MOU does not provide "protection for Hezbollah".
and this:
quote:
No mechanism to surrender the enriched uranium it has already created.
Point #8 clearly addressed this claim:
"resolve the disposition of stockpile enriched material pursuant to a mechanism that will be mutually agreed upon in accordance with the schedule mentioned in Paragraph 7 with the the minimum methodology to be downblending on site under the supervision of the IAEA."
This doesn't rule out removing the material entirely, but why go to the trouble of removing fissile material if it can more easily be degraded on site, and verified as such? Did the author not read or understand that sentence?
I could go on, but it's clear this article by whomever was either written in bad faith or without good comprehension of what the MOU says.
This post was edited on 6/20/26 at 10:50 am
Posted on 6/20/26 at 10:34 am to wdhalgren
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I don’t understand who is going to invest in a $300 billion reconstruction fund for Iran. The U.S. is not doing so, and why would the Qataris or any other country in the Middle East that was just attacked by Iran invest one penny to support Iran’s reconstruction?
Most of the damage inflicted on Iran was directed to military targets. Why would anyone want to help Iran rebuild its military capabilities?
Even if the funds were limited to humanitarian-related infrastructure, if there is such a thing, money is fungible, and we know the first freed up dollar will go to rebuild Iran’s ballistic and nuclear capabilities.
What am I missing?
Posted on 6/20/26 at 10:36 am to hawgfaninc
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