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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread
Posted on 6/13/26 at 10:28 am to hawgfaninc
Posted on 6/13/26 at 10:28 am to hawgfaninc
quote:
The panican panics over things outside of their control.
In this particular case, they were panicking over a statement made by an Iranian official, in other words Iranian propaganda. It was imported here and apparently taken as fact, by "GOP_Tiger", when he said, "No tolls, but Iran will collect "service fees." Then several more posters responded as if it was an accepted fact.
As I noted earlier in this thread, that poster ("GOP") paints themself as a conservative, but their views skew much more to the left. I knew that would eventually manifest in this thread too.
This post was edited on 6/13/26 at 10:42 am
Posted on 6/13/26 at 10:29 am to BearCrocs
CEASFIRE (that’s not been an actual ceasefire) and now 60 days to ACTUALLY negotiate the nuclear issue.
SMH. Like someone said before, all we’ve done is legitimize this terrorist regime by negotiating with them.
SMH. Like someone said before, all we’ve done is legitimize this terrorist regime by negotiating with them.
Posted on 6/13/26 at 11:04 am to Stidham8
Let's look at what the Israelis are saying about the deal.
TLDR: they aren't happy at all.
TLDR: they aren't happy at all.
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 6/13/26 at 11:08 am to Bunk Moreland
It's a shell game at this stage with word fencing in the MSM's mediot parade.
Posted on 6/13/26 at 11:09 am to cadillacattack
That is STILL one big, beautiful plane.
Posted on 6/13/26 at 11:09 am to GOP_Tiger
If, could, would, might, maybe
All for a deal that isn’t done from a source that may know nothing
Y’all waste too much energy on all this stuff when the guidelines were set 3.5 months ago
All for a deal that isn’t done from a source that may know nothing
Y’all waste too much energy on all this stuff when the guidelines were set 3.5 months ago
Posted on 6/13/26 at 11:10 am to wdhalgren
quote:
("GOP") paints themself as a conservative, but their views skew much more to the left. I knew that would eventually manifest in this thread too.
My views are exactly the same as those expressed by President Trump two months ago---and also exactly the same as those expressed by President Trump when he criticized President Obama for making a deal that enabled the mullahs to retrench themselves so that they could become an even greater danger in the future.
EDIT: And the Left is in no way shape or form in favor of removing the mullahs from power. The Left was again intervening in Iran from the beginning. Their views are the complete opposite of mine.
This post was edited on 6/13/26 at 11:53 am
Posted on 6/13/26 at 11:12 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:
Let's look at what the Israelis are saying about the deal.
quote:
Even after last night’s briefing by a senior Trump administration official, it is difficult to ignore the major weaknesses in the emerging deal with Iran:
• The agreement could unlock up to $200 billion in sanctions relief and Gulf investment, providing the regime with a massive economic lifeline at precisely the moment it is under pressure.
• The deal appears to rely on the assumption that Iran will fundamentally change its behavior and stop sponsoring terrorism, despite decades of evidence to the contrary.
• No clear enforcement mechanism has been presented to prevent covert funding of Hezbollah, the Houthis, Iraqi Shiite militias, and other Iranian proxies.
• The ceasefire in Lebanon risks freezing the campaign against Hezbollah before its disarmament has been achieved.
• Israel may retain the right to respond to attacks, but it remains unclear whether Hezbollah will be allowed to rebuild infrastructure, rearm, recruit, and restore its capabilities as long as it avoids direct fire.
• There is a significant difference between the right to retaliate after an attack and the freedom to prevent military buildup before it becomes a threat.
• Even the nuclear verification and inspection mechanisms are still not fully defined.
• The administration’s own official placed the chances of success at only 75%, acknowledging the uncertainty inherent in dealing with Iran.
• Iran could begin benefiting from economic normalization and international legitimacy long before any long-term behavioral change is proven.
Posted on 6/13/26 at 11:23 am to LegendInMyMind
Breaking news "judge Boasberg of DC federal court rules Trump's peace agreement with Iran is a treaty requiring senate approval before going into effect"
Well that could happen.
Well that could happen.
Posted on 6/13/26 at 11:42 am to Ailsa
quote:
It appears the banking system in Iran is under a cyber attack.
Does it really matter? I've been told that Iran is losing $400 million per day due to the blockade.
There is no money in the banks for anyone to withdraw.
Posted on 6/13/26 at 12:10 pm to Bronco11
Posted on 6/13/26 at 12:34 pm to LegendInMyMind
I mean the US can sign any deals they want. Israel sure isn’t signing anything. They will finish the job that Trump TACO’d.
Posted on 6/13/26 at 12:41 pm to PaulDrake
Posted on 6/13/26 at 12:55 pm to Ailsa
price of crude will be under 80 bucks a bbl Monday. Gasoline will approach 3 bucks a gallon this week.
Posted on 6/13/26 at 1:01 pm to Trevaylin
The left - Trump can’t bomb Iran. Trump must solve through diplomacy.
The left - Trump lost the war. Trump made a bad deal. Trump is weak ( because the left does not support the use of real American military power) and Iran out maneuvered Trump which is the inevitable conclusion when the left does not allow the use of our best negotiating tool which is our military.
What a joke.
The left - Trump lost the war. Trump made a bad deal. Trump is weak ( because the left does not support the use of real American military power) and Iran out maneuvered Trump which is the inevitable conclusion when the left does not allow the use of our best negotiating tool which is our military.
What a joke.
Posted on 6/13/26 at 1:11 pm to ItTakesAThief
Aannnnd....
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Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Ismail Baghaei says the memorandum will not be signed tomorrow but could come in the days ahead. "We'll need to wait and see regarding the exact timing," he said, adding that "the other side's hesitancy to comment on the process" requires extra caution.
This post was edited on 6/13/26 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 6/13/26 at 1:14 pm to GOP_Tiger
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My views are exactly the same as those expressed by President Trump two months ago
Be that as it may, your support appears to have done a 180 now (as I suspected it would) with very little understanding of where this is actually going. You've started quoting Iranian govt propaganda with no indication of suspicion or doubt, while criticizing the Trump administration for everything they say.
quote:
Their [the left] views are the complete opposite of mine.
For somebody who's complete opposite of left, you seem to end up in agreement quite often. Your criticism of Trump's management of the war sounds exactly like the left, just for "different reasons". You're a huge supporter of US involvement in Ukraine, should probably hang a Ukrainian flag by your name like so many of the leftists have done. And honestly, when you say things like, Now all the anti-Americanism is on the Right, it's hard to take any claim of "complete opposite" of left at face value. It's okay to admit that you're a leftist; hyperbolic rhetoric aside, Trump's not going to put you in a camp.
This post was edited on 6/13/26 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 6/13/26 at 1:14 pm to LegendInMyMind
Sure Donald
Posted on 6/13/26 at 1:16 pm to Ailsa
quote:
No money will exchange hands.
How will any of us ever know?
Meanwhile, 2 months from now, all the mullahs and IRGC leadership will be driving new Ferraris, Lambos and McLarens through the streets of Tehran.
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