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re: Obama lied about scaled down party.....shocker Super spreader event!
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:12 am to MMauler
Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:12 am to MMauler
You realize that the opinion was 5-4.
Constitutionality just depends on the partisan lean of the court.
If there had been 2 more liberals on the court, I could easily turn around and say it's constitutonal.
Constitutionality seems to be a meaningless term if it just depends on the make-up of the court.
Constitutionality just depends on the partisan lean of the court.
If there had been 2 more liberals on the court, I could easily turn around and say it's constitutonal.
Constitutionality seems to be a meaningless term if it just depends on the make-up of the court.
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Posted on 8/9/21 at 1:18 am to Strannix
People should use this as a talking point that we have moved beyond mask mandates instead of shaming a demagogue who clearly has no shame.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 4:44 am to darkmatter134
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government grants those rights to private citizens so can grant them and take them away.
The federal government doesn’t unilaterally decide who can do business. They can’t just take away your ability to do business. The federal government isn’t an all knowing being, and that’s why we have negative rights against the government.
I genuinely don’t understand how you think the government just has the ability to “let us do stuff” and can then take it away. Do you even have the slightest understanding of free market principles? frick, it’s like I’m talking to AOC
Posted on 8/9/21 at 4:48 am to darkmatter134
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government grants those rights to private citizens so can grant them and take them away.
So the government “grants” is the rights to freedom of speech. But since they do so, they can take it away? Are you lost?
Posted on 8/9/21 at 5:54 am to darkmatter134
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Is government mandating that no densely packed events are held? The only way this criticism would make sense is if government had told Obama not to hold a party.
Obama's a private citizen. If the government isn't preventing him from holding a birthday party, I can't make him. It's the role of government to decide whether Obama has breached guidelines or not.
As I've said, he's a private citizen. If the government is allowing him to do it, I'm not sure I can do much to stop him.
Sophistry in action.
Change the word Obama to Trump in your statements above and then just imagine the reaction from the DEMs, the MSM, the SJW social networks, et al. But most of all, try to be honest and predict what your own response to that situation would be.
Your 'but I can't do much about it" is of course true - but totally irrelevant. The only point worth discussion is the hypocrisy of the situation - whether or not some individual can do anything to change the situation.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 6:05 am to darkmatter134
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darkmatter134
Your ratio would indicate that you have bad beliefs. Might wanna open your brain up a bit to some outside thinking.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 6:15 am to nugget
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The federal government doesn’t unilaterally decide who can do business. They can’t just take away your ability to do business. The federal government isn’t an all knowing being, and that’s why we have negative rights against the government.
I mean they can.
Lockdowns were constitutional according to the judges in Michigan and Pennsylvania.
If the supreme court had 2 more liberals, I can almost be confident that lockdowns would be considered constitutional.
Government can grant rights. Constitutional amendments wouldn't exist if federal governments couldn't give or take away rights. If 2/3 of the senate and house agree, a constitutional amendment could pass banning guns for example.
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Do you even have the slightest understanding of free market principles? frick, it’s like I’m talking to AOC
Government granting rights has nothing to do with the free market or not. First of all, no markets are free as government regulates the market. Secondly, this regulation means that government lets you do things.
Legislation wouldn't exist if government didn't 'let you do things.' Regulation means that government 'lets you do stuff' - the government could regulate that stock buybacks are illegal tomorrow. That's an example of government restriction.
TLDR: Government regulates what you can do. If markets were truly free, there would be no regulations. Therefore, government absolutely controls your rights.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 6:19 am to nugget
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So the government “grants” is the rights to freedom of speech. But since they do so, they can take it away? Are you lost?
Absolutely.
I think government can take away freedom of speech if they so wanted. Constitutional amendments can be repealed - it's extremely difficult and unlikely but that still means it's a possibility.
It's not something I agree with but I do think they have that ability.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 6:21 am to ChineseBandit58
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Your 'but I can't do much about it" is of course true - but totally irrelevant. The only point worth discussion is the hypocrisy of the situation - whether or not some individual can do anything to change the situation.
And I've already said Obama is being a hypocrite. My reaction is fairly consistent.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 6:21 am to darkmatter134
Man new guy is putting in work.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 6:22 am to SisOfSam
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With that kind of guest list, no wonder they hid under tents - had to hide the 'pizza party' they were having that Teigen is so fond of. I'm sure they partied just like they used to on Epstein island.
Hopefully it wasn’t a clothes optional party; otherwise, Michael’s secret would be revealed.
Although we have seen the bulge.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 7:04 am
Posted on 8/9/21 at 6:36 am to darkmatter134
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Absolutely. I think government can take away freedom of speech if they so wanted. Constitutional amendments can be repealed - it's extremely difficult and unlikely but that still means it's a possibility.
But that’s not what we are talking about. We are talking about bureaucracies setting laws as they see fit, bypassing the legislature.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 6:37 am to darkmatter134
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Government granting rights has nothing to do with the free market or not. First of all, no markets are free as government regulates the market. Secondly, this regulation means that government lets you do things.
But the federal government doesn’t regulate business in a state. Especially not the CDC
Posted on 8/9/21 at 6:39 am to Strannix
Obama lies routinely
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:25 am to darkmatter134
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You realize that the opinion was 5-4.
Constitutionality just depends on the partisan lean of the court.
If there had been 2 more liberals on the court, I could easily turn around and say it's constitutonal.
Wait -- you just basically told someone that they had "no idea what you're talking about" and then spewed a blanket f*cking lie about what the Supreme Court ruled, and THIS is your response when being called out on it?
Get the f*ck out of here.
You're a f*cking IDIOT who was complete f*cking WRONG. Just be a f*cking man and own it.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:26 am to Strannix
Well...if Covid is as deadly as claimed, he may have just done the world a huge favor.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 7:30 am
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:30 am to MMauler
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Wait -- you just basically told someone that they had "no idea what you're talking about" and then spewed a blanket f*cking lie about what the Supreme Court ruled, and THIS is your response when being called out on it?
You absolute tard.
You realize the 5-4 was ruling it constitutional you absolute moron. The supreme court ruled it constitutional - some guy just said that Kavanaugh was being an idiot. It completely supports my point of view.
Did you even understand the points being made? I'm guessing you don't because intelligence probably isn't your strength.
I was just pointing out that constitutionality is meaningless (even though it currently supports my point as the supreme court ruled it constitutional).
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 7:36 am
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:31 am to nugget
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But the federal government doesn’t regulate business in a state. Especially not the CDC
Local government does, which completely supports the point I was making.
I said that government grants rights which included both local, state and federal governments.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:32 am to Jbird
You mean new DU troll/commie
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:51 am to darkmatter134
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You realize the 5-4 was ruling it constitutional you absolute moron.
Wrong, AGAIN.
5-4 did not rule it was "constitutional." The case was about lifting a stay and 5-4 (f*ck John Roberts, AGAIN) ruled that they wouldn't lift the stay.
THAT'S IT.
Kavanaugh issued a concurring opinion that FLIPPED the actual 5-4 vote on Constitutionality to hold that what the CDC did was UNCONSTITUTIONAL. He just threw the Biden administration a bone and said he would leave the stay in place because it was coming to a natural end soon. He told them if they wanted anything beyond that they would have to do it in a CONSTITUTIONAL manner through the legislature rather than the UNCONSTITUTIONAL manner of having the CDC write their own laws AGAIN.
Further, even if Congress had done something, the Supreme Court did not rule on whether this is an unconstitutional TAKING that is also in direct violation of the Fifth Amendment.
SERIOUSLY, quit while you're so far f*cking behind and stop making a complete f*cking a$$ of yourself.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 7:54 am
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