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re: Obama lied about scaled down party.....shocker Super spreader event!
Posted on 8/8/21 at 12:09 pm to nugget
Posted on 8/8/21 at 12:09 pm to nugget
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Why haven’t you responded to the question as to why you are suddenly taking libertarian point of views with regards to individual rights.
I've responded to it already. Government has granted those rights, hence I don't see it as me taking a libertarian point of view on the issue. Obama is allowed to hold a party if he wants if the government has allowed it.
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You don’t get to champion him as “muh private citizen” when you party advocates for not allowing a private business to collect on owed rents.
If I'm advocating that government grants individuals their rights, I'm being entirely consistent in that the government can forbid businesses from collecting on rents.
Now, I don't agree with that policy but I'm being consistent by arguing that government has that right.
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Posted on 8/8/21 at 12:20 pm to Strannix
Did Legend and his horse wife find another closet to go frick in?
Posted on 8/8/21 at 12:24 pm to VoxDawg
Was teigen pretty back in the day? She looks to be in her 70's.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 12:27 pm to smh4wg
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Was teigen pretty back in the day?
Never, in my book. She fricked her way to whatever cabal princess position she feels she holds.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 12:28 pm to darkmatter134
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Is government mandating that no densely packed events are held? The only way this criticism would make sense is if government had told Obama not to hold a party.
Show me where in the constitution it says the government has the power to tell anyone they can’t hold a party.
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Obama's a private citizen. If the government isn't preventing him from holding a birthday party, I can't make him. It's the role of government to decide whether Obama has breached guidelines or not.
So you think the government can put out “guidelines” that erase our rights? So me where it says that in the constitution.
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If the government is allowing him to do it, I'm not sure I can do much to stop him.
So the government “allows” us to do things like holding a party? Explain how you think they have any say.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 12:29 pm to darkmatter134
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Now, I don't agree with that policy but I'm being consistent by arguing that government has that right.
But they don’t, the SCOTUS just ruled on it. You literally have no clue what you’re talking about
Posted on 8/8/21 at 12:36 pm to darkmatter134
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Government has granted those rights
Somewhere out there is a Civics teacher who failed you totally. The government doesn’t “grant” any rights. Our rights originate from our Creator. The role of the government isn’t to grant right, it’s to ensure those rights are protected.
And you need to get on your knees and thank the Lord our Founding Fathers had the wisdom to acknowledge our rights come from our Creator and not the government. Because any government with the power to grant rights also possess the power to take them away.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 12:42 pm to darkmatter134
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I've responded to it already. Government has granted those rights, hence I don't see it as me taking a libertarian point of view on the issue. Obama is allowed to hold a party if he wants if the government has allowed it.
I don't really give a shite that Obama had a big party. I think its funny he said he was going to scale it back and hardly did so.....he's a hypocrite and so is this worthless administration.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 1:21 pm to Strannix
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Singer John Legend, model wife Chrissy Teigen, and rapper Takeoff were seen leaving the ex-president’s 29-acre Oak Bluffs seaside property just before midnight
Weak arse shite. Most parties never really start until midnight.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 2:00 pm to nugget
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But they don’t, the SCOTUS just ruled on it. You literally have no clue what you’re talking about
You have no idea what you're talking about.
SCOTUS ruled that the CDC was allowed to order the eviction moratorium in June. Kavanaugh further argued that the eviction moratorium could be acceptable only through legislation after July the 31st. However, there has not been a ruling on this until now and for now, the CDC has ordered it.
Furthermore, government has that right to grant eviction moratoriums through legislation indefinitely. I've been entirely consistent here.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 2:03 pm to Darth_Vader
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And you need to get on your knees and thank the Lord our Founding Fathers had the wisdom to acknowledge our rights come from our Creator and not the government. Because any government with the power to grant rights also possess the power to take them away.
Governments do have the right to grant rights and take them away. Constitutional amendments exist for a reason. If enough states wanted i.e. state governments, they could take away rights.
Governments do have the ability to grant rights otherwise constitutional amendments wouldn't exist. For good reason too because society doesn't remain constant over time.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 2:08 pm to Darth_Vader
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Show me where in the constitution it says the government has the power to tell anyone they can’t hold a party.
Local governments were allowed to pass lockdown orders for example. Government has the right to order people to stay at home or not hold a party otherwise local governments would not have been allowed to pass lockdown orders.
People in Michigan and Pennsylvania sued to try and get their states to open up during the peak of the pandemic. Both requests were denied by a panel of judges who ruled lockdowns as constitutional.
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So you think the government can put out “guidelines” that erase our rights? So me where it says that in the constitution.
Clearly holding a party in a pandemic isn't a right, otherwise lockdown orders and mask mandates would have been unconstitutional.
The Michigan ruling upheld Governor Gretchen's order to stay at home. Therefore, the evidence I've seen is that it is constitutional for local governments to mandate stay-at-home orders.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 2:44 pm to darkmatter134
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Kavanaugh further argued that the eviction moratorium could be acceptable only through legislation after July the 31st.
Which is a terrible, self-contradictory ruling. The moratorium was either constitutional, or it was not. Kavanaugh shite the bed on that one.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 5:56 pm to darkmatter134
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You have no idea what you're talking about. SCOTUS ruled that the CDC was allowed to order the eviction moratorium in June. Kavanaugh further argued that the eviction moratorium could be acceptable only through legislation after July the 31st. However, there has not been a ruling on this until now and for now, the CDC has ordered it. Furthermore, government has that right to grant eviction moratoriums through legislation indefinitely. I've been entirely consistent here.
Yes, and the CDC extended it again, which they cannot. Biden said as much, but is doing it anyway well knowing it’s unconstitutional. He is just hoping it will get tied up in the court. A president is doing something admittedly unconstitutional and you’re not only fine with it, you’re applauding it. All while championing “private citizen” rights.
I don’t know if you’re not intellectually capable of seeing this issue, or if you’re just trying to talk yourself out of seeing the contradiction.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 5:58 pm to Strannix
Posted on 8/8/21 at 6:08 pm to darkmatter134
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Is government mandating that no densely packed events are held?
Yes, they cancelled an outdoor event by mandate this weekend where I live
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If the government isn't preventing him from holding a birthday party
They let him but cancelled others
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It's the role of government to decide whether Obama has breached guidelines or not
It absolutely is not their role...the constitution allows freedom of assembly
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If the government is allowing him to do it, I'm not sure I can do much to stop him.
The government constitutionally cannot allow or disallow...they do not have the authority.
There is no unreasonable safety threat anymore than otherwise
Posted on 8/8/21 at 6:09 pm to darkmatter134
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If I'm advocating that government grants individuals their rights, I'm being entirely consistent in that the government can forbid businesses from collecting on rents. Now, I don't agree with that policy but I'm being consistent by arguing that government has that right.
Under which statute?
The CDC doesn’t have the authority to unilaterally decide which business can collect their payments. That’s part of rights of private individuals.
Bureaucrats deciding who can collect rents is the definition of tyranny. You begging for the government to infringe on rights is sad and pathetic. It can only come from a person of no principles and one who is worth nothing.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:05 am to nugget
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Yes, and the CDC extended it again, which they cannot. Biden said as much, but is doing it anyway well knowing it’s unconstitutional. He is just hoping it will get tied up in the court. A president is doing something admittedly unconstitutional and you’re not only fine with it, you’re applauding it. All while championing “private citizen” rights.
Well, it hasn't been ruled unconstitutional as of yet so you can't exactly call it unconstitutional. And like I said, I'm not in favor of it either so I'm not sure where you're getting that I'm supportive of it.
I've never been championing private citizen rights. I've been fairly clear that government grants those rights in my view. Therefore, it's an entirely consistent point of view.
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I don’t know if you’re not intellectually capable of seeing this issue, or if you’re just trying to talk yourself out of seeing the contradiction.
There's no contradiction here.
I've been fairly clear: government grants those rights to private citizens so can grant them and take them away.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:44 am to darkmatter134
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You have no idea what you're talking about.
SCOTUS ruled that the CDC was allowed to order the eviction moratorium in June.
They were? Is this your professional opinion Oliver Wendell "Jackie" Chiles?
Here is the ACTUAL opinion --
Kavanaugh specifically states that the CDC "exceeded its existing statutory authority by issuing a nationwide eviction moratorium."
Then, in a truly spineless and unconstitutional turn, Kavanaugh legislated from the bench and allowed the CDC to continue the moratorium (even though he just said what they did was unconstitutional) because it was coming to an end very soon anyway and rental assistance could be distributed during that time (very little was).
The CDC then turned around and did nothing short of telling Kavanaugh to go F*CK HIMSELF because the biggest, most ignorant far, far leftwing whackjob constitutional hack masquerading as a "Constitutional scholar," Laurence Tribe, told them to
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 12:50 am
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