re: Obama Judge Permanently Blocks Trump's Proof of Citizenship

The obvious point is that there are states willfully flouting their own election laws and flouting the Federal requirements for elections.“

If federal laws are being violated, DOJ could sue. I am not sure which federal laws you reference, though. As for state laws, citizens can and have sued in state court, with mixed results. I still think you need Congressional action to get at the root of the problem.

You just made my point for me.

If there's a law in place, and some president who doesn't have the authority to change it, changes it anyway, then it's a problem, sure. How much displeasure I voiced over it would depend on whether I like the current law or not. That's just human nature. Doesn't mean it's not an issue, it just means I'd not personally be as vocal about it if I liked what that president was trying to do.

So let me restate and ask in a different way....

At least 90% of the people who like this ruling, would fight tooth and nail against it if there were a bill proposed that ensured that in order to register to vote, you also have to have your citizenship verified. Not because of Trump, but because they have no issue with non-citizens voting.

Would you be one of those?

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If federal laws are being violated, DOJ could sue.

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Sure.
I’m a big believer that the same court system that prohibits Trump from doing things that are clearly in his purview are going to let those cases be successful.

Here’s what the Administration claims in Trump’s EO.

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Federal law establishes a uniform Election Day across the Nation for Federal elections, 2 U.S.C. 7 and 3 U.S.C. 1. It is the policy of my Administration to enforce those statutes and require that votes be cast and received by the election date established in law.

As the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit recently held in Republican National Committee v. Wetzel (2024), those statutes set “the day by which ballots must be both cast by voters and received by state officials.” Yet numerous States fail to comply with those laws by counting ballots received after Election Day. This is like allowing persons who arrive 3 days after Election Day, perhaps after a winner has been declared, to vote in person at a former voting precinct, which would be absurd.

Several Federal laws, including 18 U.S.C. 1015 and 611, prohibit foreign nationals from registering to vote or voting in Federal elections. Yet States fail adequately to vet voters’ citizenship, and, in recent years, the Department of Justice has failed to prioritize and devote sufficient resources for enforcement of these provisions. Even worse, the prior administration actively prevented States from removing aliens from their voter lists.

Additionally, Federal laws, such as the National Voter Registration Act (Public Law 103-31) and the Help America Vote Act (Public Law 107-252), require States to maintain an accurate and current Statewide list of every legally registered voter in the State. And the Department of Homeland Security is required to share database information with States upon request so they can fulfill this duty. See 8 U.S.C. 1373(c).

Maintaining accurate voter registration lists is a fundamental requirement in protecting voters from having their ballots voided or diluted by fraudulent votes. Federal law, 52 U.S.C. 30121, prohibits foreign nationals from participating in Federal, State, or local elections by making any contributions or expenditures.

But foreign nationals and non-governmental organizations have taken advantage of loopholes in the law’s interpretation, spending millions of dollars through conduit contributions and ballot-initiative-related expenditures. This type of foreign interference in our election process undermines the franchise and the right of American citizens to govern their Republic.

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So Congress passing another law that states will ignore and Federal judges will block any effect is a nothing solution.

She is stupid and so it's the Gateway Pundits' headline.

That's emperor level power there. Attempting to permanently ban something on the federal level.

If that moron was elected, he'd have a different opinion. You see how "appointed " people think? Like they arent responsible for the people...just the apointer

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Permanently

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Lol - do you even after a supposed 'gotcha' know how things work?

Hot topics, the reflecting pool and this. When will there be another 'No Kings' rally?

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We have way too many people who disagree with it because Trump should be able to do whatever he wants. These same people will complain when a Democrat president does the same thing. I have yet to see anyone point out the law that gives the president on his own the power to make voting rules.

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It is amazing how bad civics has gotten in ths country.

Let's make it simple.
The Constitution says what powers Congres has. The Constitution says Congress can regulate ederal elections. Congress exercised this power when it made a law prohibitng non-citizens from voting.
The Constitution also sets up a schem to where the President enforces Congrssional Law. He is not arbitrarily making law when he demands proof of citizenship to vote, he is executing Congressionally passed law that complies with the Constitution.

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Congress has never passed a law requiring ids to vote.

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Ok, so what? Congressional statutes rarely, if ever, explicitly list out all ways of executing the law. That is why there are billions of pages of Administrative law and federal regs.
It is not, as you wrote, that the President is trying to make voting laws. He is trying to enforce the laws on the book.