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NYT - Cartels going into hiding and shutting down operations
Posted on 3/4/25 at 11:21 am
Posted on 3/4/25 at 11:21 am
Sorry for a NYT link but credit where credit is due and sorry if this is a repost. I searched and found nothing.
NYT article on Cartels running scared
One cartel leader says he’s trying to figure out how to protect his family in case the American military strikes inside Mexico. Another says he’s already gone into hiding, rarely leaving his home. Two young men who produce fentanyl for the cartel say they have shut down all their drug labs.
A barrage of arrests, drug seizures and lab busts by the Mexican authorities in recent months has struck the behemoth Sinaloa Cartel, according to Mexican officials and interviews with six cartel operatives, forcing at least some of its leaders to scale back on fentanyl production in Sinaloa state, their stronghold.
The cartels have sown terror across Mexico and caused untold damage in the United States. But here in Culiacán, the state capital, the dynamic seems to be shifting, at least for now. Cartel operatives say they’ve had to move labs to other areas of the country or temporarily shut down production.
“You can’t be calm, you can’t even sleep, because you don’t know when they’ll catch you,” said one high-ranking member of the Sinaloa Cartel who, like other cartel operatives, spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of capture.
“The most important thing now is to survive,” he added, his hands trembling.
The government crackdown on organized crime intensified after the Trump administration threatened retribution unless Mexico halted the supply of fentanyl into the United States, vowing high tariffs if the flow of migrants and drugs continued.
President Trump began floating the possibility of tariffs soon after his election in November, and soon after taking office announced 25 percent levies on Mexican goods if the country didn’t act on border security and drug trafficking. The president gave Mexico a month to deliver results, threatening to enact the tariffs on March 4 if he wasn’t satisfied.
Facing economic chaos, the Mexican government went on the offensive. President Claudia Sheinbaum dispatched 10,000 national guard troops to the border and hundreds more soldiers to Sinaloa state, a major hub of fentanyl trafficking where a cartel war has caused turmoil for months.
“Every day there have been arrests and seizures,” Omar Harfuch, the Mexican security minister, said at a recent news conference after returning from several days in Sinaloa. The detentions have led to “a constant weakening” of the cartel, he said.
The country’s law enforcement seized nearly as much fentanyl in the last five months as it did in the previous year. Ms. Sheinbaum’s administration says it has made nearly 900 arrests in Sinaloa alone since October.
Then, last week, the Mexican government said it had begun sending to the United States more than two dozen cartel operatives wanted by the American authorities. It was a clear signal to the Trump administration that Mexico was eager to fight the cartels, though Mr. Trump said on the same day that he was still not satisfied with the government’s efforts and that tariffs would go into effect on Tuesday.
“Criminal groups have not felt this level of pressure in such a long time,” said Jaime López, a security analyst based in Mexico City.
In interviews, cartel operatives agreed. Some said they were selling off property and firing unessential personnel to make up for lost income from the dent in the fentanyl trade. Others said they were investing money in advanced equipment to detect American government drones, which the United States flew into Mexico during the Biden and Obama administrations as well.
Criminal organizations in Mexico have a long history of surviving efforts to dismantle them, or simply splintering off into new groups. But several operatives said that for the first time in years, they genuinely feared arrest or death at the hands of the authorities.
Experts noted that a decline in production in Culiacán wouldn’t necessarily affect the flow of fentanyl north, since the drug is easy to make and the cartel can move its labs elsewhere. And it isn’t clear how long any disruption in Culiacán would last. Cooks and experts said they expected the cartel would restart labs in the city if the pressure subsided or the group needed an influx of cash.
But the crackdown has had an immediate impact, they said, and some cited the newfound pressure by Mr. Trump.
“Trump established a deadline, and we are seeing the results of everything we could have seen in years being done in a month,” Mr. López said. “The government is sending a message that when it really wants to, it can exert that kind of pressure.”
But even before tariff threats intensified, Ms. Sheinbaum had showed her willingness to take on the cartels as soon as she took office on Oct. 1.
Her predecessor and political ally, former president Andrés Manuel López Obrador, had pursued a strategy he called “hugs not bullets,” focusing on the root causes of crime and generally avoiding violent confrontations with criminals.
While she pledged allegiance to her mentor’s vision, Ms. Sheinbaum made headlines with a rash of battles between soldiers and cartel gunmen that left dozens dead earlier in her presidency.
Cartel members said they were making their own preparations for the heightened pressure under Mr. Trump. American officials say the United States has recently begun expanding drone flights into Mexico to detect drug labs, and last week the administration designated several cartels as terrorist organizations.
In interviews, cartel operatives said they were importing scanners to detect drones and hiring more people with experience operating and tracking such aircraft. They also said they had increased arms shipments from the United States, the source of most of the illegal weapons used by criminals in Mexico.
Inside the Trump administration, there is still some division over whether the United States should take unilateral military action in Mexico against the cartels, or whether it should work more closely with the Mexican government in combating the drug trade.
Mexico’s cartels are known for amassing military-grade weapons, including I.E.D.s and land mines, yet the operatives acknowledged in interviews that they could scarcely compete with the American military’s arsenal. Even so, one high-level operative said the cartel would be prepared to respond if raids or strikes were carried out.
NYT article on Cartels running scared
One cartel leader says he’s trying to figure out how to protect his family in case the American military strikes inside Mexico. Another says he’s already gone into hiding, rarely leaving his home. Two young men who produce fentanyl for the cartel say they have shut down all their drug labs.
A barrage of arrests, drug seizures and lab busts by the Mexican authorities in recent months has struck the behemoth Sinaloa Cartel, according to Mexican officials and interviews with six cartel operatives, forcing at least some of its leaders to scale back on fentanyl production in Sinaloa state, their stronghold.
The cartels have sown terror across Mexico and caused untold damage in the United States. But here in Culiacán, the state capital, the dynamic seems to be shifting, at least for now. Cartel operatives say they’ve had to move labs to other areas of the country or temporarily shut down production.
“You can’t be calm, you can’t even sleep, because you don’t know when they’ll catch you,” said one high-ranking member of the Sinaloa Cartel who, like other cartel operatives, spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of capture.
“The most important thing now is to survive,” he added, his hands trembling.
The government crackdown on organized crime intensified after the Trump administration threatened retribution unless Mexico halted the supply of fentanyl into the United States, vowing high tariffs if the flow of migrants and drugs continued.
President Trump began floating the possibility of tariffs soon after his election in November, and soon after taking office announced 25 percent levies on Mexican goods if the country didn’t act on border security and drug trafficking. The president gave Mexico a month to deliver results, threatening to enact the tariffs on March 4 if he wasn’t satisfied.
Facing economic chaos, the Mexican government went on the offensive. President Claudia Sheinbaum dispatched 10,000 national guard troops to the border and hundreds more soldiers to Sinaloa state, a major hub of fentanyl trafficking where a cartel war has caused turmoil for months.
“Every day there have been arrests and seizures,” Omar Harfuch, the Mexican security minister, said at a recent news conference after returning from several days in Sinaloa. The detentions have led to “a constant weakening” of the cartel, he said.
The country’s law enforcement seized nearly as much fentanyl in the last five months as it did in the previous year. Ms. Sheinbaum’s administration says it has made nearly 900 arrests in Sinaloa alone since October.
Then, last week, the Mexican government said it had begun sending to the United States more than two dozen cartel operatives wanted by the American authorities. It was a clear signal to the Trump administration that Mexico was eager to fight the cartels, though Mr. Trump said on the same day that he was still not satisfied with the government’s efforts and that tariffs would go into effect on Tuesday.
“Criminal groups have not felt this level of pressure in such a long time,” said Jaime López, a security analyst based in Mexico City.
In interviews, cartel operatives agreed. Some said they were selling off property and firing unessential personnel to make up for lost income from the dent in the fentanyl trade. Others said they were investing money in advanced equipment to detect American government drones, which the United States flew into Mexico during the Biden and Obama administrations as well.
Criminal organizations in Mexico have a long history of surviving efforts to dismantle them, or simply splintering off into new groups. But several operatives said that for the first time in years, they genuinely feared arrest or death at the hands of the authorities.
Experts noted that a decline in production in Culiacán wouldn’t necessarily affect the flow of fentanyl north, since the drug is easy to make and the cartel can move its labs elsewhere. And it isn’t clear how long any disruption in Culiacán would last. Cooks and experts said they expected the cartel would restart labs in the city if the pressure subsided or the group needed an influx of cash.
But the crackdown has had an immediate impact, they said, and some cited the newfound pressure by Mr. Trump.
“Trump established a deadline, and we are seeing the results of everything we could have seen in years being done in a month,” Mr. López said. “The government is sending a message that when it really wants to, it can exert that kind of pressure.”
But even before tariff threats intensified, Ms. Sheinbaum had showed her willingness to take on the cartels as soon as she took office on Oct. 1.
Her predecessor and political ally, former president Andrés Manuel López Obrador, had pursued a strategy he called “hugs not bullets,” focusing on the root causes of crime and generally avoiding violent confrontations with criminals.
While she pledged allegiance to her mentor’s vision, Ms. Sheinbaum made headlines with a rash of battles between soldiers and cartel gunmen that left dozens dead earlier in her presidency.
Cartel members said they were making their own preparations for the heightened pressure under Mr. Trump. American officials say the United States has recently begun expanding drone flights into Mexico to detect drug labs, and last week the administration designated several cartels as terrorist organizations.
In interviews, cartel operatives said they were importing scanners to detect drones and hiring more people with experience operating and tracking such aircraft. They also said they had increased arms shipments from the United States, the source of most of the illegal weapons used by criminals in Mexico.
Inside the Trump administration, there is still some division over whether the United States should take unilateral military action in Mexico against the cartels, or whether it should work more closely with the Mexican government in combating the drug trade.
Mexico’s cartels are known for amassing military-grade weapons, including I.E.D.s and land mines, yet the operatives acknowledged in interviews that they could scarcely compete with the American military’s arsenal. Even so, one high-level operative said the cartel would be prepared to respond if raids or strikes were carried out.
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Posted on 3/4/25 at 11:21 am to notsince98
“If a helicopter comes here and soldiers drop out, 20 or 30 of them,” the operative said, “there’s no way we’d just sit here with our arms crossed.”
One cartel fentanyl cook, speaking from jail, said he was actually in favor of stepped up enforcement by the Mexican government, because he believed that curbing cartel violence could prevent the “deaths of innocents.”
Last week, Mexican forces arrested two big players within the Sinaloa Cartel who were close associates of Iván Archivaldo Guzmán Salazar, the most powerful son of the drug lord known as El Chapo. After news of the captures spread, the Mexican military deployed a surge of soldiers throughout the city, setting up checkpoints and blocking off entire blocks.
Despite the arrests, the violence in Culiacán keeps claiming lives. On a recent Wednesday morning, the body of a man appeared face down in the middle of a street at a busy intersection, his hands tied and blood pouring from his head.
The next day, a different man’s body was found in a residential neighborhood nearby, with his feet bound and a plastic bag over his head. Officials at the scene said it appeared the victim had been shot dead on the spot.
Ms. Sheinbaum has defended her record on fighting the cartels and hit back hard against the Trump White House’s accusation that the Mexican government has “an intolerable alliance” with drug traffickers.
“We are combating organized crime groups, there can be no doubt about this,” she said at a news conference last month, adding, “We are going after organized crime.”
But few dispute that corruption is rampant in Mexico. The last major crackdown on organized crime was led by a security chief who was later convicted in U.S. federal court of taking bribes from the Sinaloa Cartel.
Cartel members said the only reason the government hadn’t really fought them until recently was because they’d bought off enough officials. One cartel cell leader said he doubted that this new effort would seriously damage the cartel because the group could ensure its survival by bribing key officials.
“There are always weak points,” he said, “there are always loose ends we can get to.”
When asked how it feels to be labeled terrorists, the cartel operatives’ responses ranged from apathetic to indignant.
The fentanyl cook in jail argued that the real terrorists were the users in the United States whose insatiable appetite for the drug fuels the trade. The two other young cooks agreed that the worst actors were north of the border: the arms dealers who turn a huge profit smuggling weapons into Mexico that kill so many people.
The high-level operative said he considered himself a businessman, not a terrorist.
“We talk about supply and demand,” he said, “not AK-47s, much less bombing Times Square.”
Even if the government bombs every drug lab in Mexico, he said, it won’t make Americans less dependent on the drug, which is one of the most addictive synthetic opioids available. He said that, with the right ingredients, fentanyl can be synthesized almost anywhere — in tiny kitchens or rudimentary mountain labs — and that as long as Americans want fentanyl, it will get made.
“Demand will never end, the product is still being consumed,” the operative said. “Addiction means demand never ends.”
One cartel fentanyl cook, speaking from jail, said he was actually in favor of stepped up enforcement by the Mexican government, because he believed that curbing cartel violence could prevent the “deaths of innocents.”
Last week, Mexican forces arrested two big players within the Sinaloa Cartel who were close associates of Iván Archivaldo Guzmán Salazar, the most powerful son of the drug lord known as El Chapo. After news of the captures spread, the Mexican military deployed a surge of soldiers throughout the city, setting up checkpoints and blocking off entire blocks.
Despite the arrests, the violence in Culiacán keeps claiming lives. On a recent Wednesday morning, the body of a man appeared face down in the middle of a street at a busy intersection, his hands tied and blood pouring from his head.
The next day, a different man’s body was found in a residential neighborhood nearby, with his feet bound and a plastic bag over his head. Officials at the scene said it appeared the victim had been shot dead on the spot.
Ms. Sheinbaum has defended her record on fighting the cartels and hit back hard against the Trump White House’s accusation that the Mexican government has “an intolerable alliance” with drug traffickers.
“We are combating organized crime groups, there can be no doubt about this,” she said at a news conference last month, adding, “We are going after organized crime.”
But few dispute that corruption is rampant in Mexico. The last major crackdown on organized crime was led by a security chief who was later convicted in U.S. federal court of taking bribes from the Sinaloa Cartel.
Cartel members said the only reason the government hadn’t really fought them until recently was because they’d bought off enough officials. One cartel cell leader said he doubted that this new effort would seriously damage the cartel because the group could ensure its survival by bribing key officials.
“There are always weak points,” he said, “there are always loose ends we can get to.”
When asked how it feels to be labeled terrorists, the cartel operatives’ responses ranged from apathetic to indignant.
The fentanyl cook in jail argued that the real terrorists were the users in the United States whose insatiable appetite for the drug fuels the trade. The two other young cooks agreed that the worst actors were north of the border: the arms dealers who turn a huge profit smuggling weapons into Mexico that kill so many people.
The high-level operative said he considered himself a businessman, not a terrorist.
“We talk about supply and demand,” he said, “not AK-47s, much less bombing Times Square.”
Even if the government bombs every drug lab in Mexico, he said, it won’t make Americans less dependent on the drug, which is one of the most addictive synthetic opioids available. He said that, with the right ingredients, fentanyl can be synthesized almost anywhere — in tiny kitchens or rudimentary mountain labs — and that as long as Americans want fentanyl, it will get made.
“Demand will never end, the product is still being consumed,” the operative said. “Addiction means demand never ends.”
Posted on 3/4/25 at 11:23 am to notsince98
Too long. Didn’t read.
But can’t Mexico just kill these people. I mean when it comes down to your country being run my murderers does giving them due process really matter anymore?
But can’t Mexico just kill these people. I mean when it comes down to your country being run my murderers does giving them due process really matter anymore?
Posted on 3/4/25 at 11:25 am to UptownJoeBrown
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But can’t Mexico just kill these people.
Turning them over to USA is at least a start.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 11:25 am to notsince98
Their largest shareholders is a Mexican drug lord billionaire called Carlos Slim. Can't trust a word they write on this topic.
Example Write Up
quote:
He also is known to have significant ties to the drug cartels in Mexico. You don’t become a billionaire in Mexico without being part of the network that is controlled and protected.
The NYT knows who their owners are connected to and are pushing the narrative that supports Carlos Slim’s business interests and his partners.
Example Write Up
Posted on 3/4/25 at 11:25 am to notsince98
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You can’t be calm, you can’t even sleep, because you don’t know when they’ll catch you,
Posted on 3/4/25 at 11:26 am to notsince98
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Turning them over to USA is at least a start.
Turn them over to El Salvador
Posted on 3/4/25 at 11:28 am to notsince98
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Another says he’s already gone into hiding, rarely leaving his home.
US Military:
Posted on 3/4/25 at 11:31 am to SaintsTiger
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Carlos Slim
He should be declared a terrorist and a large bounty needs to be placed on his head.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 11:31 am to notsince98
It's basically an endorsement for Democrats to please get back into the presidency and open the borders back up.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 11:45 am to notsince98
Boggles my mind that we know who they are, and can get some sort of interviews, but don't just wipe them out.
Go ahead and try. But there's no explanation I find acceptable without simply drones carpet bombing leaders and operations.
Go ahead and try. But there's no explanation I find acceptable without simply drones carpet bombing leaders and operations.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:01 pm to notsince98
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“Demand will never end, the product is still being consumed,” the operative said. “Addiction means demand never ends.”
This. Yes prosecute a war on the cartels, especially those operating within our borders. Yes secure the border. But the above quote will always be true. Legalize it, let american labs make pure product so people know what they're getting and neuter the cartels and illegal drug trade. Violence would drop 30-40% overnight. Stop going around narcanning everyone for free and let people face the consequences of their choices for the ones that do OD. The money saved from ending the war on drugs would mean lower taxes.
I thought we learned this lesson during probibition.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:01 pm to notsince98
Where am I supposed to get blow now?
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:06 pm to notsince98
Decline was always a choice
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:07 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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I thought we learned this lesson during probibition.
We should have. Unfortunately, most of the public is ignorant.
Its the demand that drives the market. Its impossible to snuff out the supply, the market is too lucrative.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:13 pm to notsince98
Last book I read was Goosebumps so can you provide cliffs?
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:31 pm to SaintsTiger
Carlos Slim is "associated" with the cartels 
He owns bank of Mexico, telmex, plus all or parts of most of the telecoms in central america. If you want to launder money or communicate he has you covered. He owns hundreds of businesses in Mexico.
No foreign company does business in Mexico without him, he invented the 10%.
70billion, yeah right, now count the money from his other businesses.
PS nice the story noted mayorkis was responsible for the building of the refugee camp down in Panama, real nice.
He owns bank of Mexico, telmex, plus all or parts of most of the telecoms in central america. If you want to launder money or communicate he has you covered. He owns hundreds of businesses in Mexico.
No foreign company does business in Mexico without him, he invented the 10%.
70billion, yeah right, now count the money from his other businesses.
PS nice the story noted mayorkis was responsible for the building of the refugee camp down in Panama, real nice.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:38 pm to notsince98
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Cartels going into hiding and shutting down operations
The Cartels have no other choice.
Very much a success by the Trump administration.
More winning!
Posted on 3/4/25 at 2:26 pm to notsince98
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The high-level operative said he considered himself a businessman, not a terrorist. “We talk about supply and demand,” he said, “not AK-47s, much less bombing Times Square.” Even if the government bombs every drug lab in Mexico, he said, it won’t make Americans less dependent on the drug, which is one of the most addictive synthetic opioids available. He said that, with the right ingredients, fentanyl can be synthesized almost anywhere — in tiny kitchens or rudimentary mountain labs — and that as long as Americans want fentanyl, it will get made. “Demand will never end, the product is still being consumed,” the operative said. “Addiction means demand never ends.”
He isn’t wrong. And the Cartels could take pressure off themselves by being more pragmatic businessmen and stopping the violence between factions. Agree to certain territories and stay out of each others way. And stop cutting party drugs like coke with fentanyl. Nobody really cares if a heroin junkie dies of OD. But they do care when a college student with a bright future dies from fentanyl because he got drunk and did a key bump of coke at a frat party
Posted on 3/4/25 at 2:44 pm to deltaland
No one was addicted to fentanyl until it was put out on the street and forced or slipped into these people. They act like the addicts are the only problem here but that's not the truth. They took people that wanted a mild high and gave them insane drugs and then blamed the addict.
It's the NYT - there isn't much credibility here. Cartels are not going to sit back and be targets. They aren't going to simply go into hiding or shut down labs. They might move their labs, but they aren't shutting down. They make billions. They aren't letting that go. Most of the 2000 mile border is still wide open and easily crossed. They'll do their planning, establish new routes, new pickup points etc, and resume business. What they are hoping for, though, is that Trump thinks he's already won. That's why this piece was written. When the new guy comes in, everything is back on.
This is a propaganda piece to try and make Mexico look better and give the impression that Trump's border agenda doesn't need to go any further. I would be surprised if there isn't a follow-up piece that makes the case for not pursuing a robust deportation agenda. Democrats are looking to run out the clock with Trump and pick up where Mayorkas left off - by the way - where the hell is Mayorkas and why hasn't he been arrested? Everyone on the planet knew that Mayorkas was trying to break this country. Bondi and Patel need to get off their asses and go after Mayorkas.
Trump needs to deploy the military over the entire border. Put in counter-mobility obstacles, establish overwatch and insure no entry at all. While that's happening, build the wall over the entire border. If this doesn't happen, when he leaves office, if another Democrat comes in, the flood at the border is going to be catastrophic.
It's the NYT - there isn't much credibility here. Cartels are not going to sit back and be targets. They aren't going to simply go into hiding or shut down labs. They might move their labs, but they aren't shutting down. They make billions. They aren't letting that go. Most of the 2000 mile border is still wide open and easily crossed. They'll do their planning, establish new routes, new pickup points etc, and resume business. What they are hoping for, though, is that Trump thinks he's already won. That's why this piece was written. When the new guy comes in, everything is back on.
This is a propaganda piece to try and make Mexico look better and give the impression that Trump's border agenda doesn't need to go any further. I would be surprised if there isn't a follow-up piece that makes the case for not pursuing a robust deportation agenda. Democrats are looking to run out the clock with Trump and pick up where Mayorkas left off - by the way - where the hell is Mayorkas and why hasn't he been arrested? Everyone on the planet knew that Mayorkas was trying to break this country. Bondi and Patel need to get off their asses and go after Mayorkas.
Trump needs to deploy the military over the entire border. Put in counter-mobility obstacles, establish overwatch and insure no entry at all. While that's happening, build the wall over the entire border. If this doesn't happen, when he leaves office, if another Democrat comes in, the flood at the border is going to be catastrophic.
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