re: No One Should be surprised that Europe is abandoning Free Speech

"Five year plans and New Deals,
Wrapped in golden chains..."

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I don’t understand why we judge their government when we have plenty issues of our own. It just feels meddle -y

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You’re still allowed to call Trump a Bad Orange Fascist, despite being wrong.

Germans have been arrested for calling a minor government official who is a disturbingly fat piece of shite, fat, solely because she is in the government.

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Same could be said about US now with the arrests happening at college campuses.
Trump is destroying free speech.

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Expressing one's opinion in a peaceful and responsible manner is one thing, while destroying property and disrupting and threatening the rights of others in their daily life pursuits is another. Apples and oranges.

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Beautiful. You are ignorant to the facts. Rubio specifically stated that she was not revoked because of her op-ed. He stated she was revoked because she participated in a “protest” that was violent, caused property damage, and blocked other students from moving freely.

And FYI…you don’t have to face charges to be removed. Removal is an administrative procedure. You need to get your facts straight.

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Interesting that you think I'm ignorant. She is actually a He, and is married to an American citizen, who is pregnant.

Agents arrived to revoke his student visa, but he actually has a green card, which is much different. But they took him anyway. And they have not stated any reason that he was detained.

It's documented that he has written disagreement with the Israeli government, and has actively protested against anti-semitism.

This is truly an action of our government against someone for their speech, which is what this thread is about.

Certainly, it's easier to pass judgement on Euro countries, and believe that only Dems limit speech, but it doesn't seem so. Especially on any ideas that don't promote all things Israels as the priority.

But I appreciate you fact checking me.

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married to an American citizen, who is pregnant.

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And? Won't be the first time someone like this has been deported. This POS is a menace to our society. Frick'em, and he can take his family with him to wherever he is happier. Again, won't be the first time people had to make that decision.

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This is truly an action of our government against someone for their speech,

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This is unknown.

Why must you lie?

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What do you think about our government censoring anti-Israel speech?

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You call it free speech when the lives of Jews are threatened........but if someone threatened to lynch someone they would be thrown in prison for hate speech.

You are correct, its quite the double standard.

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She is actually a He, and is married to an American citizen, who is pregnant.

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Still not a citizen.

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Agents arrived to revoke his student visa, but he actually has a green card

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A green card can be revoked for supporting a terrorist organization such as hamas. He is accused of supporting hamas. Prove he isn't and maybe you have an argument for letting him stay. They won't.

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You call it free speech when the lives of Jews are threatened........but if someone threatened to lynch someone they would be thrown in prison for hate speech.

You are correct, its quite the double standard.

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I appreciate your response, my fine fellow-American citizen.

Lot of words here to unravel, but I'll try. But I need you to clarify a few things.

Who brought up Jews?

And since you did, which Jews do you mean?

American-Jews? Or Jews, as in Israeli citizens?

Or do you mean the government of Israel, that are kinda Jew-like?

Or do you mean the Jewish religion?

Are we now defending foreign country's citizens as an ethnicity or as a religion in the USA?

Who is threatening to lynch anyone?

And even if they were, how is this akin to dropping US bombs on an entire ethnic group that the US has no direct benefit in harming? (Oh, other than aiding Israel, the nation of Israel, (that claims to be somewhat Jewish because it beckons for USA tax dollars to defend it))

Hate speech for another country?

If I criticize the UK for their crackdown of free speech, am I committing hate speech? Of course not, the UK doesn't have the power in the USA, like Israel aka AIPAC does.

Lot of vagueness in your sentence there, but I just don't understand the "Jewish" reference.

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Governments that start to suck don't die. They ENFORCE! The inevitability that eventually, if things went a little wrong, that the government would turn to arresting people who complain about it was 100% predictable.

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True. It’s usually due to the extreme narcissism in the politicians. They view themselves as excellent public servants who are going to do great things for the people. Then when they fail to do those things they cannot admit they were simply stupid ideas borne of poor leadership, so they blame the opposition of sabotaging their great agenda. Then the solution is eliminate the opposition and all their supporters will then have great things.

Then you get totalitarianism. And of course since the ideas were stupid in the first place the supporters of the regime will still be miserable but by the time they wake up to that fact there’s no way out except violence as the regime has implemented an oppressive police state.