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re: No doubt this is what our founders wanted when they forgot about term limits for Congress
Posted on 9/15/26 at 8:30 am to StansberryRules
Posted on 9/15/26 at 8:30 am to StansberryRules
quote:they still did not want to roll the dice on a true democracy.
they also fell into the trap of assuming the voters would do a good job
Posted on 9/15/26 at 8:37 am to stout
Like how he’s got his tactical hiking shoes on. 
Posted on 9/15/26 at 8:45 am to stout
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No doubt this is what our founders wanted when they forgot about term limits for Congress
The anti-federalist were right on the money
Brutus I
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In so extensive a republic, the great officers of government would soon become above the control of the people, and abuse their power to the purpose of aggrandizing themselves, and oppressing them. The trust committed to the executive offices, in a country of the extent of the United-States, must be various and of magnitude. The command of all the troops and navy of the republic, the appointment of officers, the power of pardoning offences, the collecting of all the public revenues, and the power of expending them, with a number of other powers, must be lodged and exercised in every state, in the hands of a few. When these are attended with great honor and emolument, as they always will be in large states, so as greatly to interest men to pursue them, and to be proper objects for ambitious and designing men, such men will be ever restless in their pursuit after them. They will use the power, when they have acquired it, to the purposes of gratifying their own interest and ambition, and it is scarcely possible, in a very large republic, to call them to account for their misconduct, or to prevent their abuse of power.
Posted on 9/15/26 at 8:49 am to stout
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The difference is our founders were honorable men so there was never a thought in their mind that we would have the scum in Congress we do today
Shoulda been.
Massive frickup by our founders thinking like-minded men (or eventually women) would be the only ones going for political office.
Posted on 9/15/26 at 8:54 am to stout
Weekend at Mitch's
Posted on 9/15/26 at 8:55 am to stout
Founding Father 1: “Hey, should we have term limits?”
Founding Father 2 : “Why, you’re dead at 55-60 anyway?”
Founding Father 2 : “Why, you’re dead at 55-60 anyway?”
This post was edited on 9/15/26 at 8:56 am
Posted on 9/15/26 at 8:57 am to mark65mc
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We should increase the count to 1 rep per county/parish, at a minimum. That would get us closer to the representation that we had at the beginning.
Yea and we'd be paying 200,000 a year for each new Rep for basically the same representation we get now....its all meaningless.
This post was edited on 9/15/26 at 8:58 am
Posted on 9/15/26 at 9:03 am to stout
Good grief. Time for him to retire. Congress os so pathetic
Posted on 9/15/26 at 9:09 am to beerJeep
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the great officers of government would soon become above the control of the people, and abuse their power to the purpose of aggrandizing themselves, and oppressing them
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They will use the power, when they have acquired it, to the purposes of gratifying their own interest and ambition, and it is scarcely possible, in a very large republic, to call them to account for their misconduct, or to prevent their abuse of power
I know who popped into my head but really you could put any name there and be half right... corporatocracy. Regulatory capture has destroyed us.
Posted on 9/15/26 at 9:12 am to stout
The jobs were never seen as full-time positions back then, with usually only one or two sessions a year (which lasted only a month or two each). The rest of the time they were at home tending to their home and business(es).
Washington set the stage for Presidents by refusing to serve a third term specifically because he didn't want people getting into the idea of a permanent political class (similar to the royalty class they had just removed themselves from).
Washington set the stage for Presidents by refusing to serve a third term specifically because he didn't want people getting into the idea of a permanent political class (similar to the royalty class they had just removed themselves from).
Posted on 9/15/26 at 9:28 am to Bard
I wonder what the founders would think about Citizens United.
Posted on 9/15/26 at 9:34 am to stout
It took them a good long while to build a droid convincing enough to send to Capitol Hill in McTurtle's stead. It's a relief that it's not yet something they can just throw together overnight, but they'll get there soon.
Posted on 9/15/26 at 9:37 am to tigerfoot
quote:this is true. human nature is the same for every generation.
Many of our founders were shite bags too. Many were motivated by their own economic self interests.
Some of the founders wanted to use independence and new govt to remain rich and powerful. Today’s shite bags want ti use govt to get rich and powerful as a result of being elected.
Posted on 9/15/26 at 9:39 am to RemyLeBeau
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The Antifederalists certainly did not trust men to always do the right thing. Just like petitioning for the Bill of Rights, they were met with the opposition saying these things are already implied. Madison was adamant that we could not leave ambiguity to those in power.
The federalists, Hamilton especially, would’ve crowned Washington king if they could’ve.
Posted on 9/15/26 at 9:52 am to 4cubbies
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I wonder what the founders would think about Citizens United.
I don't think they would have been in favor of it. While they were rampant in their desire for free speech, I don't think they would have seen businesses as entities fully covered by the First Amendment to the point where a large enough business (or conglomeration of them) could flood the media with their preferred stance on something in an attempt to sway public opinion through sheer overloading.
One of the best examples of this would be a portion from Thomas Jefferson's letter to Senator George Logan in 1816:
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I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
I think their view would be that individuals vote in elections, businesses do not. As such, they would likely see that only individuals should be allowed to donate to political campaigns or even political entities (PACs/SuperPACs).
Posted on 9/15/26 at 9:53 am to Bard
I agreed with your assessment.
Posted on 9/15/26 at 9:58 am to stout
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No doubt this is what our founders wanted when they forgot about term limits for Congress
I blame this on voters and not the founders. Many voters in this country are unserious and stupid and easily led by the nose.
Posted on 9/15/26 at 10:05 am to Bard
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, I don't think they would have seen businesses as entities fully covered by the First Amendment to the point where a large enough business (or conglomeration of them) could flood the media with their preferred stance on something in an attempt to sway public opinion through sheer overloading.
You barely had newspapers back then and barely anyone could read. They couldn’t have foreseen universal literacy, radio, tv, and smartphones
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