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re: New York State Just Legalized Abortion up to Birth
Posted on 1/23/19 at 2:42 pm to ShortyRob
Posted on 1/23/19 at 2:42 pm to ShortyRob
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Well. Um, that's not exactly semantics, now is it.
I will grant you that--to a degree. It should be stated clearly that this practitioner should be a medical doctor with specific training/expertise not only in the obstetrical realm, but also one with knowledge regarding whatever "health" issue the mother is claiming. However, to my (albeit limited) knowledge, the only "practitioners" who can perform abortions in this country are MDs, so it might not be a distinction that needs to be clarified. I could be wrong on that last point though.
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But, I will grant that it is leaving the decision for the most part in a doctor's hands.
Correct. Which is a vastly different discussion than the one that has been going on for the last 20+ pages.
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Posted on 1/23/19 at 2:42 pm to ShoeBang
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ShoeBang
Sorry some of us have jobs. Can't spend a whole day making fun of you and laughing to your attempts to put together a logical thought.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 2:48 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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I will grant you that--to a degree. It should be stated clearly that this practitioner should be a medical doctor with specific training/expertise not only in the obstetrical realm, but also one with knowledge regarding whatever "health" issue the mother is claiming. However, to my (albeit limited) knowledge, the only "practitioners" who can perform abortions in this country are MDs, so it might not be a distinction that needs to be clarified. I could be wrong on that last point though. quote: But, I will grant that it is leaving the decision for the most part in a doctor's hands. Correct. Which is a vastly different discussion than the one that has been going on for the last 20+ pages.
Which is a huge issue for me. I’ve sold to doctors for years so I’m under no illusion that all operate with the same level of professional ethics many assume. Quite the opposite actually. Many, many doctors will do whatever they can in order to make a buck. See the Mobile doctors of Couch and Ruan.
Idiots who think just because a doctor has to sign off on it means that only the extreme cases will be performed are simply delusional and, oh yeah, do forget idiots.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 2:51 pm to Robin Masters
Seems like you agree with abortion as long as the doctor is operating ethically. Nice to have you on our side. Now let's focus that energy to make sure doctors are doing what they should.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 2:56 pm to ShreveportHog94
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Seems like you agree with abortion as long as the doctor is operating ethically. Nice to have you on our side. Now let's focus that energy to make sure doctors are doing what they should.
So desperate for allies that you pull that from my comment? Pffft. Not even close Junior. Keep grasping.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 2:59 pm to ShreveportHog94
This is a(n) f'd up world.
ShortyRob's point that the word "health" is left open for interpretation is correct. Making a case for 'mental health problems' is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE loophole-just look at all the people who have received disability because of mental health issues.
There are absolutely practitioners who think that women should have the right to choose up until birth. Those practitioners could, under the law, perform an abortion under the auspices of 'high likelihood of mental health impairment if carried to term'-Hell, just look at post-partum depression statistics.
Now...is the spirit of the law to allow for these cases? Who the F knows anymore, we don't give a shite about the spirit of the law in any sense. But, the implication of the headlines that will grab clicks and stir up debate over the next few days will be sensationalized to be that anyone can go get an abortion any time they want....
ShortyRob's point that the word "health" is left open for interpretation is correct. Making a case for 'mental health problems' is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE loophole-just look at all the people who have received disability because of mental health issues.
There are absolutely practitioners who think that women should have the right to choose up until birth. Those practitioners could, under the law, perform an abortion under the auspices of 'high likelihood of mental health impairment if carried to term'-Hell, just look at post-partum depression statistics.
Now...is the spirit of the law to allow for these cases? Who the F knows anymore, we don't give a shite about the spirit of the law in any sense. But, the implication of the headlines that will grab clicks and stir up debate over the next few days will be sensationalized to be that anyone can go get an abortion any time they want....
Posted on 1/23/19 at 3:01 pm to RebelExpress38
I am pro choice, but this is disgusting
Posted on 1/23/19 at 3:04 pm to AggieDub14
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I am pro choice, but this is disgusting
This law isn’t about abortion it’s about forcing a threat from USSC to overturn RvW and Dems filling election coffers.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 3:09 pm to Robin Masters
Good point. Still, the ends do not justify the means.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 3:13 pm to Robin Masters
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Which is a huge issue for me. I’ve sold to doctors for years so I’m under no illusion that all operate with the same level of professional ethics many assume. Quite the opposite actually. Many, many doctors will do whatever they can in order to make a buck. See the Mobile doctors of Couch and Ruan. Idiots who think just because a doctor has to sign off on it means that only the extreme cases will be performed are simply delusional and, oh yeah, do forget idiots.
Relax. You are clearly jaded (I find your stories hard to believe btw--you either have awful luck findings good doctors or are lying). All doctors can do is make recommendations--its up to you to follow them. With the level of distrust you have, I would stop going if I were you.
Doctors are not perfect but there are a lot of safeguards in place to prevent what you're talking about here. If a doctor is doing abortions left or right just bc a mother is, appropriately, stressed during pregnancy, then he needs his license revoked and possibly prosecuted.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 3:13 pm to ShreveportHog94
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Sorry some of us have jobs.
lol. Classic insult. 6/10. Apparently your job isn't very time consuming.
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Can't spend a whole day making fun of you and laughing to your attempts to put together a logical thought.
But you can spend it arguing with other random people on the internet, suggesting that you really don't have much going on in your life. 60+ posts today alone spanning every hour on the clock starting at 8 am except 11-12. So I'll give you props for keeping it to under 10 posts per hour with your "busy" schedule as you call it.
You reek of a 25 year old kid who just graduated college and thinks he has it all figured out, so kudos to you. I'd love to hear how your views change when you get a little longer in the tooth. I was an a-hole at 25 too.
This post was edited on 1/23/19 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 1/23/19 at 3:15 pm to AggieDub14
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Good point. Still, the ends do not justify the means.
Of course not but it is quite telling about the disgusting depths libs will go for money and power.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 3:19 pm to Robin Masters
Yeah it's pretty sad. Contrary to popular belief on this board, it's why I could never find myself supporting the Democratic party.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 3:23 pm to Robin Masters
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Of course not but it is quite telling about the disgusting depths libs will go for money and power.
Aren't bills like this counterproductive for libs trying to remain in power? Unless the argument is that, on average, an aborted life has >50% to end up voting conservative.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 3:25 pm to AggieDub14
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Contrary to popular belief on this board, it's why I could never find myself supporting the Democratic party.
You're smart to refrain from mentally marrying a party. I am very leery of defining myself as a Republican for similar reasons.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 3:26 pm to TbirdSpur2010
They are both corrupt and powerful. And what do they say about those with power?
Posted on 1/23/19 at 3:28 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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I am very leery of defining myself as a Republican for similar reasons.
Same here. I want you and your legally married same sex partner to be able to defend your weed crop and rain barrels with as many firearms as you please, while not paying for other people's food or medical needs with your taxes.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 3:33 pm to ShortyRob
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It has a health exception which includes mental health so, yeah. It does.
Can you provide a link. I found the bill but I can't find a definition of "life or health". That has to be defined somewhere.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 3:37 pm to ShreveportHog94
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Nice to have you on our side.
Seems like your "side" would be ashamed. I mean.. to be gleefully on the side of murdering babies in the womb... how sickening is that? And there's more than a few of y'all in this thread. It boggles the mind.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 3:42 pm to cwill
That’s the point. By not defining “health” they can stretch this to mean whatever they want to justify the abortion at any stage.
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