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re: New shooting in Minnesota
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:40 pm to Bunkie7672
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:40 pm to Bunkie7672
These people have lost it. Truly.
I didn’t think I’d watch the descent into authoritarianism this quickly.
100 years later history repeats.
I didn’t think I’d watch the descent into authoritarianism this quickly.
100 years later history repeats.
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Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:40 pm to VOR
quote:
Just watched multiple witnesses interviews.
I can’t think of anyone more credible than middle aged unemployed people screaming profanities at federal law enforcement.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:40 pm to Bunkie7672
quote:What the ever-living frick is it with you fricking retards?
You guys all cheer on agents of the government shooting Americans acting like when the dems regain power they won’t turn this shite around on you. frick this.
Link to my support one way or the other on this shoot.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:40 pm to The Tiger322
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If theres no second gun
They don’t know if there’s a second gun. They only know the guy had at least one.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:41 pm to John somers
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He's a good commie now
Just goes to show, even the worst scumbags can be good at some point.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:42 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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I wonder if Ashley Babbit agrees with you?
She probably wishes she'd been armed like this guy, at least to make their stories a little closer. And then, had she an opportunity and willingness to fight with the several LEOs that were following her up the stairs, to make the stories even more close. Just think, if this guy had simply been giggling and unarmed and not fighting anybody, then his death could be accurately compared to hers. I bet he wishes for that.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:42 pm to VOR
Cry harder, pussy
If your side hadn’t let in millions of illegal aliens, we wouldn’t be in this situation. Your side is to blame
If your side hadn’t let in millions of illegal aliens, we wouldn’t be in this situation. Your side is to blame
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:43 pm to Jbird
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Jbird
Impossible to know who you encountered unless you submit a FOIA request, even then--if your rights were violated what recourse do you have? They are not required to tell you who they are in person, just that they are federal agents. Any cop I have encounterted, or agency I have worked with, they're unmasked, and one can see their name or badge #. If they act like a retard, one can personally make sure that action is accounted for.
My problem isnt w/ ICE, please keep deporting illegals, it's the rolling up like the Russian FSB doing whatever they want, mouthing off at people. Act like a professional organization. Optics matter.
This post was edited on 1/24/26 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:43 pm to Narax
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It's exactly what should happen when you attack LEO with a gun.
They have no obligation to guess that you "no longer have a second gun" to go a long with your 2 magazines.
He was still resisting them until he was shot.
This needs to be the default LEO response when someone tries to murder them.
Not all the ICE officers saw that one of them had gotten the perps gun. It was seconds and the perp was still resisting. With mere seconds and a gun that was in his hand, they reacted in self defense.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:44 pm to Odysseus32
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I didn’t think I’d watch the descent into authoritarianism this quickly
Getting lectures from figs who ...
Masked up
Took the coof juice
Stayed home
For the common cold ... about authoritarianism is pretty frickin rich.
Especially the figs in Minnesota still wearing paper face diapers in -9 weather.
Get a proper balaclava you cheap pussies
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:44 pm to Old Money
Fair enough.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:44 pm to Champagne
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OK, fine. I agree with you, for the sake of argument, that this is the legal standard.
Progress
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In that case, my position is that from what I saw on the video, a reasonable LE would reasonably believe that the suspect presents an imminent threat that would authorize LE to use deadly force. I saw a suspect that was armed with a pistol who was under arrest, resisting arrest, actively fighting with LE.
My position is based on the common sense notion that, if you arm yourself with a pistol, and then get in a fight with LE as you resist arrest, you have placed LE in a gravely dangerous situation, and LE must be legally authorized to neutralize that threat that you have presented to them.
I understand that is your position, and it is very reasonable view. But like I said earlier, what you or I think is not really relevant here. It's about eight circuit case precedent. If there is a prior case with very similar facts where this was ruled not legally justified, then the officers are in trouble. If it were ruled the other way or there isn't a comparable case, then they are shielded by qualified immunity. These things take time, but I like the officers chances if facing civil litigation (I think there is an exceedingly low chance they face anything criminal here).
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:44 pm to AmishSamurai
I’m convinced that vaccine has made them fall in love with authoritarianism along with the shite they tried to pull with Obama. fricking sick what the liberals have become.
This post was edited on 1/24/26 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:45 pm to G2160
I agree, but if the guy running off had the guy's only gun, he therefore did not have access to it and therefore could not reach for it at the time of the shooting. I agree that knowing he has atleast one raises the tension level and you obviously cannot know if he has multiple, however, if he only has the one and the agents justification is he saw him reaching for it then it becomes harder to justify and looks worse for the agent/agency. Again, I believe in just listening to the orders and fighting it in court if theyre in the wrong as its not worth your life. This might end up be justified legally, but based on what I have currently seen this looks not ideal.
This post was edited on 1/24/26 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:45 pm to GeneralLee
Anybody who fights with and resists law enforcement has whatever happens coming to them. It’s just beyond stupid and putting the LEOs on a very precarious situation where they have to make split second decisions.
And the political class in Minnesota is egging all this on, which puts blood on their hands.
Im not going to sit here and armchair quarterback the ICE guys who shouldn’t even be dealing with these protesters to begin with, that should be the local PD handling them.
This is all on Frey and Walz
And the political class in Minnesota is egging all this on, which puts blood on their hands.
Im not going to sit here and armchair quarterback the ICE guys who shouldn’t even be dealing with these protesters to begin with, that should be the local PD handling them.
This is all on Frey and Walz
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:46 pm to AmishSamurai
What the frick is coof juice?
Is this some term I wouldn’t know unless I was chronically online?
I have literally never voted for a democrat in my life.
Is this some term I wouldn’t know unless I was chronically online?
I have literally never voted for a democrat in my life.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:47 pm to samson73103
quote:
I had an employee once who was a former cop. He said they were taught in the academy that when involved in an armed confrontation with a suspect, they were to empty their weapon to make certain the threat was neutralized.
That is correct, but "threat neutralized" does not always mean "gun emptied, dude dead." Plenty of cases have ruled the first X shots were justified, but the following Y were not.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:48 pm to G2160
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They don’t know if there’s a second gun. They only know the guy had at least one.
Bingo
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:48 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Also, he was a legal gun owner
Makes absolutely no difference if he was or not. Once you insert yourself in a legal law enforcement operation with a weapon on your person, you are going to be treated as a threat. They don’t know you, they don’t know your intentions and they certainly aren’t going to allow you to remain armed while acting in an a provocative or aggressive manor. He chose to put himself on that sidewalk armed with a pistol. You don’t get sympathy or the benefit of the doubt when your demise is the result of the multiple decisions you made.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:49 pm to GeneralLee
Two things are true at once.
1. I have not seen anything that makes this shoot clear one way or the other. I think it’s very dangerous at this point to jump out in front until the facts have been sifted through.
2. The environment that made this happen has been fomented by the anti-ice mentality and in lack of cooperation of local authorities. These events will continue to happen.
None of this is going to end well.
1. I have not seen anything that makes this shoot clear one way or the other. I think it’s very dangerous at this point to jump out in front until the facts have been sifted through.
2. The environment that made this happen has been fomented by the anti-ice mentality and in lack of cooperation of local authorities. These events will continue to happen.
None of this is going to end well.
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